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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 17:16:56 GMT
No Tomas Europe is a continent composed of numerous countries. The EU is not a country . You are a citizen of the world as much as you are a citizen of Europe . The bitter truth ( for you) is that you are a British citizen. The Fascists did refer to it as Europe a Nation. Of course it wasn't a reality, not that it matters to some people.
The fascists?
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 17:19:13 GMT
All the ex remainers who make so much of an effort to deny the EU will become a federal state should have a word with tomas. He thinks it already is one.😁 You are making things up again bentley. I dont mind though . Its always fun coming on here listening to the brexiter drama queens talking about fascists and screaming the eu isnt a country so you cant be a citizen of it.
Im guessing you are working up a bit of a sweat at the minute over labour romping ahead in the polls.
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 17:23:22 GMT
ive re read that article twice over now , and subsequent posts , and im still none the wiser as to what point you are trying to make. Who is arguing uk tariffs bad EU good?
A tariff is essentially a tax. All governments and supra national organisations use them wether we like them or not , to raise revenue , and protect jobs , infant industry , consumers and for national security.
A non tariff barrier is essentially a trade restriction such as a quota ,embargo or sanction tht all countires commonly use in internaitonal trade.
They are neither good nor bad as it goes without saying no one wants to pay tariffs or suffer an impediment to trade , but like ordinary taxes , they are a fact of life.
Ive listenied to brexiters waffle on now for the last decade about internaitonal trade. It strikes me that brexiters basically dont understand the basics , that is to get what you want while conceding as little as you dont .
The reason brexiters dont seem to understand these things as they fantasise about this mythical free trade. In the real world , free trade is in reality giving something in return for what you want. As long as the pros outweigh the cons , you`re on a winner. Thats what we had in the european union.
In the brexiter world , free trade appears to mean the uk gets what it wants while not conceding anything it doesnt want. In reality this hasnt , and doesnt happen. Even the recent much vaunted CPTPP deal emphasises that point.
Some in your country seems to be drunk on myths of empire and gun boat diplomacy where free trade in brexiters minds means british exceptionalism. The fantasy of 19th century free trade never existed pacifico , and the captive audiences , controlling trade routes and setting out the stall in the days of empire are long gone.
You need to put a sock in all the daft old rhetoric about empire - it just makes you look as insane as jaydee. Nobody wants a return to empire and all this bollocks from you about it just obscures any point you are trying to make. my apologies if my piss taking offends pacifico. When you read some of the insane gibberish on here on a daily basis about fascists and all the rest you do get caught up in it.
Im just interested in what brexiters define as free trade , and what they think that means for the uk.
Back in the run up to the brexit ref , you must admit brexiters did set the tone for empire fantasy and delusion with we can cherry pick the single market but not have any of the cons like freedom of movement or euro courts , or the they need us more than we need them schtick , and the german car makers will be telling merkel whats what .
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 2, 2023 17:50:26 GMT
You need to put a sock in all the daft old rhetoric about empire - it just makes you look as insane as jaydee. Nobody wants a return to empire and all this bollocks from you about it just obscures any point you are trying to make. my apologies if my piss taking offends pacifico. When you read some of the insane gibberish on here on a daily basis about fascists and all the rest you do get caught up in it.
Im just interested in what brexiters define as free trade , and what they think that means for the uk.
Back in the run up to the brexit ref , you must admit brexiters did set the tone for empire fantasy and delusion with we can cherry pick the single market but not have any of the cons like freedom of movement or euro courts , or the they need us more than we need them schtick , and the german car makers will be telling merkel whats what .
See this is what I mean - a lot of brexit supporters wanted to remain in the Single Market, but you are so tied up with this schtick about empire you fail to see any nuance. I'm beginning to understand why you have trouble finding fellow Scots to agree with you on independence - anyone undecided looking that these sort of crass arguments is going to run a mile.. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 18:04:45 GMT
No Tomas Europe is a continent composed of numerous countries. The EU is not a country . You are a citizen of the world as much as you are a citizen of Europe . The bitter truth ( for you) is that you are a British citizen. i never claimed the EU is a country. You are making things up again. I claimed i was a european citizen at one point.
You can be a citizen of a multi national state like the UK , or a supranational organisation like the EU , or an empire of 65 countires like the former british empire.
Sorry if you dont understand that fact ,but there you go .
You are deluding yourself that you are a citizen of a continent. You are not tomas. You are a British citizen. That is a fact. But what are facts to the deluded? You tell me Tomas , you have put yourself firmly amongst them 😁 |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 18:07:44 GMT
All the ex remainers who make so much of an effort to deny the EU will become a federal state should have a word with tomas. He thinks it already is one.😁 You are making things up again bentley. I dont mind though . Its always fun coming on here listening to the brexiter drama queens talking about fascists and screaming the eu isnt a country so you cant be a citizen of it.
Im guessing you are working up a bit of a sweat at the minute over labour romping ahead in the polls.
More projection from tomas who believes that he is a citizen of a continent and believes the EU is a nation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Apr 2, 2023 18:45:09 GMT
Depends which data point you choose, Stevie. See, I remember 2011 when the Pound pretty much reached parity with the Euro. And we were still very much part of the EU. Hence I could claim with equal validity that the Pound has risen from before the referendum. So nice try but no cigar.  I'll use the Bank of England sterling index and note the correlation with Brexit because it's the relevant data but nice try to think you could obscure that with our financial crisis money printing issues 2008-11 Ah, so you want to ignore one data point in favour of another that better fits your narrative and in so doing you've actually proved my point.  |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2023 19:34:02 GMT
i never claimed the EU is a country. You are making things up again. I claimed i was a european citizen at one point.
You can be a citizen of a multi national state like the UK , or a supranational organisation like the EU , or an empire of 65 countires like the former british empire.
Sorry if you dont understand that fact ,but there you go .
You are deluding yourself that you are a citizen of a continent. You are not tomas. You are a British citizen. That is a fact. But what are facts to the deluded? You tell me Tomas , you have put yourself firmly amongst them 😁 You are incorrect. There is such a thing as European Citizenship. Indeed there was even a hearing to verify if that citizenship could be removed without the consent of the individual. brexitlegal.ie/eu-citizenship/ |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 19:42:11 GMT
You are deluding yourself that you are a citizen of a continent. You are not tomas. You are a British citizen. That is a fact. But what are facts to the deluded? You tell me Tomas , you have put yourself firmly amongst them 😁 You are incorrect. There is such a thing as European Citizenship. Indeed there was even a hearing to verify if that citizenship could be removed without the consent of the individual. brexitlegal.ie/eu-citizenship/I stand corrected Andrew but I have to point out that the Uk left the EU a while ago anyway. That refutes the claim that he is a citizen of a union that he doesn’t belong to. “EU citizenship arises from the nationality of an EU member state.” |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2023 19:44:27 GMT
Indeed, hence the case that I referred to into whether that citizenship could be withdrawn from individuals without their consent
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 19:46:13 GMT
Indeed, hence the case that I referred to into whether that citizenship could be withdrawn from individuals without their consent The UK is not a member of the EU. tomas is a Uk citizen. |
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Post by Toreador on Apr 2, 2023 19:49:37 GMT
You are deluding yourself that you are a citizen of a continent. You are not tomas. You are a British citizen. That is a fact. But what are facts to the deluded? You tell me Tomas , you have put yourself firmly amongst them 😁 You are incorrect. There is such a thing as European Citizenship. Indeed there was even a hearing to verify if that citizenship could be removed without the consent of the individual. brexitlegal.ie/eu-citizenship/Is that EU citizenship or Eureopean citzenship, we're well aware of how the EU likes to make us think it covers the whole of Europe. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2023 19:54:05 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 19:57:18 GMT
Your link….EU citizenship arises from the nationality of an EU member state. Such persons are deemed citizens of the Union. EU citizenship complements national citizenship but does not supplant it.
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 2, 2023 20:07:53 GMT
I'm not disputing that. I was merely helping out as you said it didn't exist. It very much does. Hope that helps.
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