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Post by om15 on Apr 2, 2023 14:11:00 GMT
With a bit of luck they will. That is what trade is all about, selling stuff people want at the cheapest price without all the mark ups, restrictions, tariffs and bureaucracy that you lefties appear to love.
I'm all for it, I dare say most people outside the Islington post code are as well.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 14:12:59 GMT
Are you saying you haven't any ideas of the outcome or are you just spreading manure?  Do you think CPTPP will be an experience of perfection of trading when it comes to dealing with these other countries? Will they be able to bomb the UK with cheap products and excesses from their own countries? Just asking  China does it already. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 2, 2023 14:19:35 GMT
Joining the CPTPP is a good thing, but we still need to work on our arrangement with the EU.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 14:24:33 GMT
With a bit of luck they will. That is what trade is all about, selling stuff people want at the cheapest price without all the mark ups, restrictions, tariffs and bureaucracy that you lefties appear to love. I'm all for it, I dare say most people outside the Islington post code are as well. You get what you pay for.😔 |
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 14:58:04 GMT
Im still not getting your argument? If Brexit is bad because it puts up tariff barriers between us and the EU and thus makes goods cost more for the consumer (as you and the Guardian claims) then exactly the same logic must apply to the EU external tariff barrier. Or are we trying to argue that one set of tariffs when enacted by the EU is good but when tariffs are enacted by the UK its bad?. ive re read that article twice over now , and subsequent posts , and im still none the wiser as to what point you are trying to make. Who is arguing uk tariffs bad EU good?
A tariff is essentially a tax. All governments and supra national organisations use them wether we like them or not , to raise revenue , and protect jobs , infant industry , consumers and for national security.
A non tariff barrier is essentially a trade restriction such as a quota ,embargo or sanction tht all countires commonly use in internaitonal trade.
They are neither good nor bad as it goes without saying no one wants to pay tariffs or suffer an impediment to trade , but like ordinary taxes , they are a fact of life.
Ive listenied to brexiters waffle on now for the last decade about internaitonal trade. It strikes me that brexiters basically dont understand the basics , that is to get what you want while conceding as little as you dont .
The reason brexiters dont seem to understand these things as they fantasise about this mythical free trade. In the real world , free trade is in reality giving something in return for what you want. As long as the pros outweigh the cons , you`re on a winner. Thats what we had in the european union.
In the brexiter world , free trade appears to mean the uk gets what it wants while not conceding anything it doesnt want. In reality this hasnt , and doesnt happen. Even the recent much vaunted CPTPP deal emphasises that point.
Some in your country seems to be drunk on myths of empire and gun boat diplomacy where free trade in brexiters minds means british exceptionalism. The fantasy of 19th century free trade never existed pacifico , and the captive audiences , controlling trade routes and setting out the stall in the days of empire are long gone.
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 15:02:12 GMT
im a european bentley. The uk is a multi national state , not a single country , more properly a non unitary state , and of course its small.
We europeans have had a lot on our plate recently , with englandshire voting to leave , cost of living , ukraine war , pandemics etc , but once the tories are voted out in 20 months time , im looking forward to sir keir "making brexit work"  You are British tomas. The Scot Nat dream if becoming Norway has turned to ashes . If your only hope of becoming a subject of Brussels is Sir Starmer then ……😂 im geographically british and european , and im a uk citizen , and former european citizen , ( 20 months to go ) and a scottish national .
Has it?
I dont vote labour bentley. How many times do i need to keep pointing that out ,aand the fact its your fellow countrymen who seem to be deserting the tory brexiter cause in large numbers according to the polls.
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 15:02:32 GMT
Britian isnt a country mate, its an island .
If you feel something someone says is incorrect , or lies , then feel free to contradict it . Thats what debating is all about.
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 15:03:49 GMT
Shooting the messenger once more buccy doesnt wash.
Like most tory press releases under rishi the remainer( windsor framework best deal in history....reality northern ireland gets annexed further by EU) i suspect as the days pass and more and more people pick apart rishis latest pig in a poke deal , the tories will slide even further down the polls.
Theres no "i " in denial buccy.
How's independence going? How's getting back into the EU going now, what with a new trade deal in the Pacific Tommy McRobinson? Not too bad buccy.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 15:09:10 GMT
You are British tomas. The Scot Nat dream if becoming Norway has turned to ashes . If your only hope of becoming a subject of Brussels is Sir Starmer then ……😂 im geographically british and european , and im a uk citizen , and former european citizen , ( 20 months to go ) and a scottish national .
Has it?
I dont vote labour bentley. How many times do i need to keep pointing that out ,aand the fact its your fellow countrymen who seem to be deserting the tory brexiter cause in large numbers according to the polls.
The EU isn’t a country tomas. You never were a European citizen . You are a citizen of a European country. ..Britain. Yes it has . Scotland is still part of the Uk and will be indefinitely. Doesn't matter who you vote for tomas. Sir Starmer is your only hope . Sad really. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 15:13:55 GMT
im geographically british and european , and im a uk citizen , and former european citizen , ( 20 months to go ) and a scottish national .
Has it?
I dont vote labour bentley. How many times do i need to keep pointing that out ,aand the fact its your fellow countrymen who seem to be deserting the tory brexiter cause in large numbers according to the polls.
The EU isn’t a country tomas. You never were a European citizen . You are a citizen of a European country. ..Britain. european citizenship didnt exist?
Deary me , brexiters denial about facts really doest go up a notch on this forum at times.
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 16:41:07 GMT
The EU isn’t a country tomas. You never were a European citizen . You are a citizen of a European country. ..Britain. european citizenship didnt exist?
Deary me , brexiters denial about facts really doest go up a notch on this forum at times.
No Tomas Europe is a continent composed of numerous countries. The EU is not a country . You are a citizen of the world as much as you are a citizen of Europe . The bitter truth ( for you) is that you are a British citizen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 16:47:36 GMT
european citizenship didnt exist?
Deary me , brexiters denial about facts really doest go up a notch on this forum at times.
No Tomas Europe is a continent composed of numerous countries. The EU is not a country . You are a citizen of the world as much as you are a citizen of Europe . The bitter truth ( for you) is that you are a British citizen. The Fascists did refer to it as Europe a Nation. Of course it wasn't a reality, not that it matters to some people. |
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Post by Bentley on Apr 2, 2023 16:56:25 GMT
All the ex remainers who make so much of an effort to deny the EU will become a federal state should have a word with tomas. He thinks it already is one.😁
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 2, 2023 16:57:03 GMT
If Brexit is bad because it puts up tariff barriers between us and the EU and thus makes goods cost more for the consumer (as you and the Guardian claims) then exactly the same logic must apply to the EU external tariff barrier. Or are we trying to argue that one set of tariffs when enacted by the EU is good but when tariffs are enacted by the UK its bad?. ive re read that article twice over now , and subsequent posts , and im still none the wiser as to what point you are trying to make. Who is arguing uk tariffs bad EU good?
A tariff is essentially a tax. All governments and supra national organisations use them wether we like them or not , to raise revenue , and protect jobs , infant industry , consumers and for national security.
A non tariff barrier is essentially a trade restriction such as a quota ,embargo or sanction tht all countires commonly use in internaitonal trade.
They are neither good nor bad as it goes without saying no one wants to pay tariffs or suffer an impediment to trade , but like ordinary taxes , they are a fact of life.
Ive listenied to brexiters waffle on now for the last decade about internaitonal trade. It strikes me that brexiters basically dont understand the basics , that is to get what you want while conceding as little as you dont .
The reason brexiters dont seem to understand these things as they fantasise about this mythical free trade. In the real world , free trade is in reality giving something in return for what you want. As long as the pros outweigh the cons , you`re on a winner. Thats what we had in the european union.
In the brexiter world , free trade appears to mean the uk gets what it wants while not conceding anything it doesnt want. In reality this hasnt , and doesnt happen. Even the recent much vaunted CPTPP deal emphasises that point.
Some in your country seems to be drunk on myths of empire and gun boat diplomacy where free trade in brexiters minds means british exceptionalism. The fantasy of 19th century free trade never existed pacifico , and the captive audiences , controlling trade routes and setting out the stall in the days of empire are long gone.
You need to put a sock in all the daft old rhetoric about empire - it just makes you look as insane as jaydee. Nobody wants a return to empire and all this bollocks from you about it just obscures any point you are trying to make. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 2, 2023 17:15:29 GMT
european citizenship didnt exist?
Deary me , brexiters denial about facts really doest go up a notch on this forum at times.
No Tomas Europe is a continent composed of numerous countries. The EU is not a country . You are a citizen of the world as much as you are a citizen of Europe . The bitter truth ( for you) is that you are a British citizen. i never claimed the EU is a country. You are making things up again. I claimed i was a european citizen at one point.
You can be a citizen of a multi national state like the UK , or a supranational organisation like the EU , or an empire of 65 countires like the former british empire.
Sorry if you dont understand that fact ,but there you go .
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