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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 28, 2023 7:57:58 GMT
I’m putting this question in here in hope the answers may stay on track. Yeah i know, ooh look a flying pug fucking a unicorn shitting rocking horse poo… but hey, i’m an optimist
So here we go
Why do all these people standing on the shores of a republic dedicated to equality, liberty and fraternity (well that’s what THEY say) want to risk their necks to come here …
If you believe those that support them …
The UK is a shithole where its people starve for want of salad vegetables, our GDP is shot, our trade prospects are grim, no person can do a full day’s work without incurring the wrath of the taxman wanting their share, the citizens are scrutinised by CCTV more closely than Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984, the police are racist mysogynist homophobic islamophobic bigots, business is goung bankrupt because it cant afford to heat its premises, people are dying in the back of ambulances because our hospitals are overcrowded and there is no housing ….
Why in the name of all that is worth worshipping or fighting for would any of these fuckers WANT to come HERE
I have tried asking politicians this for years and they all dive off down diversions about rights and entitlement to come here.
Not one of the fuckers gave me a straight answer.
Anyone ? Please ?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 28, 2023 8:05:01 GMT
An asylum seeker in France has a 25% chance of being successful - an asylum seeker in the UK has a 72% chance of a successful outcome.
Hence the popularity of the UK.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 28, 2023 8:23:42 GMT
I believe it is a straightforward matter of the UK being perceived as more welcoming, or at least less hostile, to their presence than anywhere else in Europe.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 28, 2023 8:36:33 GMT
I believe it is a straightforward matter of the UK being perceived as more welcoming, or at least less hostile, to their presence than anywhere else in Europe. That certainly has a bearing. The UK is the least racist of any country in Europe so that is a major draw. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 28, 2023 9:27:40 GMT
Anti-racism and its attendant cult of diversity and equality have attained a quasi-religious status in the UK to an extent which is completely unknown anywhere on the continent. This is why any organ of state which fails to comply at the necessary level is denounced as 'institutionally racist'.
For an individual citizen to fall short of the standard is of course social and career suicide but almost everyone has long since been cowed into silent submission.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 28, 2023 12:16:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 12:28:33 GMT
Isn't it because we help them all ashore, give them a roof over their heads, pay them money, give them a phone and consider their application over many months, whilst they can either just loaf about, or disappear into the grey market.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 28, 2023 15:29:48 GMT
I’m putting this question in here in hope the answers may stay on track. Yeah i know, ooh look a flying pug fucking a unicorn shitting rocking horse poo… but hey, i’m an optimist So here we go Why do all these people standing on the shores of a republic dedicated to equality, liberty and fraternity (well that’s what THEY say) want to risk their necks to come here … If you believe those that support them … The UK is a shithole where its people starve for want of salad vegetables, our GDP is shot, our trade prospects are grim, no person can do a full day’s work without incurring the wrath of the taxman wanting their share, the citizens are scrutinised by CCTV more closely than Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984, the police are racist mysogynist homophobic islamophobic bigots, business is goung bankrupt because it cant afford to heat its premises, people are dying in the back of ambulances because our hospitals are overcrowded and there is no housing …. Why in the name of all that is worth worshipping or fighting for would any of these fuckers WANT to come HERE I have tried asking politicians this for years and they all dive off down diversions about rights and entitlement to come here. Not one of the fuckers gave me a straight answer. Anyone ? Please ? Though life is hard at the moment, I think the reason people risk their lives to come to Britain is that the circumstances they're escaping in their homeland were even worse. It's all relative. A small improvement is better than no improvement. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 28, 2023 15:52:34 GMT
I’m putting this question in here in hope the answers may stay on track. Yeah i know, ooh look a flying pug fucking a unicorn shitting rocking horse poo… but hey, i’m an optimist So here we go Why do all these people standing on the shores of a republic dedicated to equality, liberty and fraternity (well that’s what THEY say) want to risk their necks to come here … If you believe those that support them … The UK is a shithole where its people starve for want of salad vegetables, our GDP is shot, our trade prospects are grim, no person can do a full day’s work without incurring the wrath of the taxman wanting their share, the citizens are scrutinised by CCTV more closely than Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984, the police are racist mysogynist homophobic islamophobic bigots, business is goung bankrupt because it cant afford to heat its premises, people are dying in the back of ambulances because our hospitals are overcrowded and there is no housing …. Why in the name of all that is worth worshipping or fighting for would any of these fuckers WANT to come HERE I have tried asking politicians this for years and they all dive off down diversions about rights and entitlement to come here. Not one of the fuckers gave me a straight answer. Anyone ? Please ? Though life is hard at the moment, I think the reason people risk their lives to come to Britain is that the circumstances they're escaping in their homeland were even worse. It's all relative. A small improvement is better than no improvement. Yes i’ve heard that from the politicians. As per my post. That is their natural diversion tactic. You have not answered my question though. I noted one answer above pointing to a massive differential in ‘successful’ asylum claims in France compared to here. I had no idea that was the case, i shall have to explore how that is achieved in a country supposedly equally overrun by the ECHR whose lawyers make it so hard for us to resist invasion. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 28, 2023 18:21:13 GMT
Lets not also forget the Hollywood effect we speak English.
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 18:56:06 GMT
I’m putting this question in here in hope the answers may stay on track. Yeah i know, ooh look a flying pug fucking a unicorn shitting rocking horse poo… but hey, i’m an optimist So here we go Why do all these people standing on the shores of a republic dedicated to equality, liberty and fraternity (well that’s what THEY say) want to risk their necks to come here … If you believe those that support them … The UK is a shithole where its people starve for want of salad vegetables, our GDP is shot, our trade prospects are grim, no person can do a full day’s work without incurring the wrath of the taxman wanting their share, the citizens are scrutinised by CCTV more closely than Winston Smith in Orwell’s 1984, the police are racist mysogynist homophobic islamophobic bigots, business is goung bankrupt because it cant afford to heat its premises, people are dying in the back of ambulances because our hospitals are overcrowded and there is no housing …. Why in the name of all that is worth worshipping or fighting for would any of these fuckers WANT to come HERE I have tried asking politicians this for years and they all dive off down diversions about rights and entitlement to come here. Not one of the fuckers gave me a straight answer. Anyone ? Please ? Though life is hard at the moment, I think the reason people risk their lives to come to Britain is that the circumstances they're escaping in their homeland were even worse. It's all relative. A small improvement is better than no improvement. But it doesn't make much geographic sense. People are fleeing here from northern France, with any dangerous circumstances in their homeland already evaded by thousands of miles. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 28, 2023 20:17:52 GMT
Though life is hard at the moment, I think the reason people risk their lives to come to Britain is that the circumstances they're escaping in their homeland were even worse. It's all relative. A small improvement is better than no improvement. But it doesn't make much geographic sense. People are fleeing here from northern France, with any dangerous circumstances in their homeland already evaded by thousands of miles. It doesn't have to make sense to you. It only has to make sense to them. Maybe they have relatives already in Britain. Maybe they feel more at home for any number of reasons. I don't understand it myself, but that's because I don't have their perspective. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 28, 2023 20:36:31 GMT
But it doesn't make much geographic sense. People are fleeing here from northern France, with any dangerous circumstances in their homeland already evaded by thousands of miles. It doesn't have to make sense to you. It only has to make sense to them. Maybe they have relatives already in Britain. Maybe they feel more at home for any number of reasons. I don't understand it myself, but that's because I don't have their perspective. So, they aren't really fleeing the dangers of their homeland, they are visiting family? |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 28, 2023 21:14:33 GMT
It doesn't have to make sense to you. It only has to make sense to them. Maybe they have relatives already in Britain. Maybe they feel more at home for any number of reasons. I don't understand it myself, but that's because I don't have their perspective. So, they aren't really fleeing the dangers of their homeland, they are visiting family? Now you're twisting my words. Who knows why they choose Britain? There could be any number of reasons that don't make sense to you but make perfect sense to them. Take a poll and find out. |
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Post by Cartertonian on Mar 30, 2023 8:20:04 GMT
The real question is how to differentiate between those who come here because we're seen as a 'soft touch' and those who come here for other reasons. Language will be one issue. I know if I were to emigrate it would be to somewhere in the Anglosphere, with the possible exception of the Netherlands or Switzerland, where I know from personal experience that most people are fluent in English. The family connection is another draw and it seems churlish to dismiss it. If you were fleeing your home country, would you not be drawn to somewhere where you had family? So if someone has English as a second language and bona fide family links to the UK, why would they want to stay in a country, however safe, where they didn't speak the language and had no family support? Of course, they could use legal routes of entry...those same routes that Braverman could not identify to the select committee...  |
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