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Post by om15 on Apr 23, 2023 14:26:01 GMT
Yes it is, it entered into a voluntary union in the 18 century and confirmed that it wished to remain in that union in 2014. Therefore all your spurious comparisons with other countries are irrelevant rubbish. Again, I must press the point that it is the Scots who wish to remain in the union, not the English who wish to continue in a Union with Scotland, we haven't had the luxury of being asked, unlike your country.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 14:37:35 GMT
Yes it is, it entered into a voluntary union in the 18 century and confirmed that it wished to remain in that union in 2014. Therefore all your spurious comparisons with other countries are irrelevant rubbish. Again, I must press the point that it is the Scots who wish to remain in the union, not the English who wish to continue in a Union with Scotland, we haven't had the luxury of being asked, unlike your country. scotland was given a shotgun wedding in 1707 , sign the acts of union or we invade. The rest is history.
If though as you suggest , we entered of our own free will into a voluntary union , we can then freely leave , and dont need your countries permission. you cant have it both ways.,
it did , a uk that was in the eu , which it then voted for a second time in 2016 , and you went on to break that pact. You cant have it both ways once again.
in what way? Are you telling us our fight for independence is less than say irelands or anyone elses? Ireland was part of the english kingdom for 700 years before independence in the early twentieth century. Scotland has only been in a union with you for half that time.
Why is it accepted the irish could leave but we cant?
whats stopping you electing a party on english indy? Are you suggesting the mighty scotland wont let you leave the uk ? 
Im the biggest supporter of english indy on this forum mate. You really need to stop blaming the jocks and europeans for all your woes.
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Post by om15 on Apr 23, 2023 14:48:28 GMT
I don't think that anyone (certainly not on this forum) has blamed Scotland for our woes.
If you wish to leave then simply declare UDI, that would be a straight forward and unarguable means of leaving the Union, I'm sure that your First Minister would do it in a shot, providing someone showed him how to send an email.
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 14:56:25 GMT
I don't think that anyone (certainly not on this forum) has blamed Scotland for our woes. If you wish to leave then simply declare UDI, that would be a straight forward and unarguable means of leaving the Union, I'm sure that your First Minister would do it in a shot, providing someone showed him how to send an email. so what were you talking about earlier when you moaned about england not being given a say on english independence?
How was i supposed to take that? Why tell me as though im responsible for england not being given a vote on english indy , or the fact westmisnter never gave you your own english parliament and other such rubbish.
We dont dislike the english mate , we just dont want your politicians with their hands in our back pockets as the other sensible 65 nations across the world like ireland similarly disagreed with your political elites thievery.
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Post by Ripley on Apr 23, 2023 14:57:26 GMT
Yes it is, it entered into a voluntary union in the 18 century and confirmed that it wished to remain in that union in 2014. Therefore all your spurious comparisons with other countries are irrelevant rubbish. Again, I must press the point that it is the Scots who wish to remain in the union, not the English who wish to continue in a Union with Scotland, we haven't had the luxury of being asked, unlike your country. More and more, it is apparent that the union is no longer voluntary. If it were, Scotland would have the power to annul the treaty and leave. Unless and until Scotland can leave, it is a de facto hostage territory. In a 1976 speech to the Americans, the queen thanked the founding fathers for having taught Britain a valuable lesson, and went on to say: “ We lost the American Colonies because we lacked that statesmanship to know the right time, and the manner of yielding, what is impossible to keep.
But the lesson was learnt. In the next century and a half we kept more closely to the principles of Magna Carta which have been the common heritage of both countries. We learnt to respect the right of others to govern themselves in their own ways.” en.wikisource.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_II%27s_Remarks_to_the_people_of_the_United_StatesMaybe Westminster needs to think about that again. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 15:03:08 GMT
Yes it is, it entered into a voluntary union in the 18 century and confirmed that it wished to remain in that union in 2014. Therefore all your spurious comparisons with other countries are irrelevant rubbish. Again, I must press the point that it is the Scots who wish to remain in the union, not the English who wish to continue in a Union with Scotland, we haven't had the luxury of being asked, unlike your country. More and more, it is apparent that the union is no longer voluntary. If it were, Scotland would have the power to annul the treaty and leave. Unless Scotland can leave, it is a de facto hostage territory. In a 1976 speech to the Americans, the queen thanked the founding fathers for having taught Britain a valuable lesson, and went on to say: “ We lost the American Colonies because we lacked that statesmanship to know the right time, and the manner of yielding, what is impossible to keep.
But the lesson was learnt. In the next century and a half we kept more closely to the principles of Magna Carta which have been the common heritage of both countries. We learnt to respect the right of others to govern themselves in their own ways.” en.wikisource.org/wiki/Queen_Elizabeth_II%27s_Remarks_to_the_people_of_the_United_StatesMaybe Westminster needs to think about that again. exactly ripley ,its only a voluntary union when it suits. In real terms , scotland is being told its hostage in a british prison under westmisnter control.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 23, 2023 16:02:16 GMT
Aye right! The three of you, collectively, couldn’t construct and maintain a simple argument based upon fact and logic rather than myth and emotion if your lives depended upon it - never mind take one apart. Jaydee disappeared immediately after I easily proved his bizarre ramblings wrong on a couple of points recently, Morayloon popped up for a day or two last week and made a complete fool of himself when, amonst other things, he displayed zero understanding of the relationship (or lack thereof) between ScotGov financial reporting, GERS reporting, and the Barnett formula, and now you are back from your conveniently timed “holiday” with your twisted mix of alternative universe surrealism, embarrassing racist behaviour, and playground standard point scoring, somehow convincing yourself that you are debating rather than just engaging in cheap shot wide-boy taunting. And I note that, once again, you have failed to even try to 1. explain how Scottish Independence would not result in severe and prolonged economic damage and financial hardship, or 2. either provide any evidence to substantiate your various false claims about me or demonstrate just a pinch of personal integrity and admit that you can’t. Maybe when you sober up you can have a go at actually backing up your words with evidence for once. LMFAO. Honestly. LMFAO.
Ive noticed all three of us do just that on this and the previous forum numerous times with the utter infantile waffle you regularly comeout with . You know i thought om and vincent were the top dogs on these forums for zany comedy , until you re emerged on this new forum under your new moniker of happy jack.
jaydee doesnt need me to hold his hand. Ive seen him regularly rip apart your posts across two forums. However , i will say he can disappear and reappear , which he does no more than you , as he sees fit.Is your ego so inflated that you think people are running off the forum scared of what some british nationalst crank is posting on an obscure interwebby forum?
You should have been a storyteller on jackanory happy. Moray is well aware of much of the waffle in GERS . Ive come across moray on a few forums, and his posts are intelligent well researched and totally commited to scot indy. I dont believe a word of what you write , wether its your poor attempted character assasinations of moray myself or jaydee or your puerile attempts at playing the innocent bystander just needing to be convinced.
Are you on drugs? What is this supposed to mean? Is your inflated ego that large you actually beleive im somehow timing my holidays or breaks off this forum to "spite" you? You really are a narcissistic fantasist .
Happy , i hate to piss on your fireworks old son , but you really arent that important to me or anyone else on here.
using the quote tags can you quote me on any of your outlandish claims made in the slavering sentences above?
i mean as i read down what passes for your post , it gets more and more unhinged by the sentence.
we have done this numerous times . How many countires , is it 65 all in including our near neighbours in ireland left london rule and became independence states and didnt once look back? In your world , scotland if it dared leave your beloved uk state , would be the only country in history to fail at independence?
i mean look at this..
Arent the irish lucky they dodged the bullet of uk servitude , and became an indy country while scotland is suffering severe economic hardship under london rule? Has the disaster of brexit forced on scotland , worst inflation in the developed world , the only state where food inflation is rampant , collosul energy costs in a cotunry that could produce 10 times its energy needs easily , the hardship of the scottish people all passed you buy in your desperation to crystal ball gaze about doom and gloom if we dare end your uk state?
No wonder moray thinks you are a hun . You really do belong in the orange halls with the king billy brigade and their flat earth the world is only 6000 years old reality denying british nationalism.
right back at you happy. You have just sat in one post and attempted however pathetically to assasinate the characters of three forum members in your attention seeking grandiose sense of self important way. i suppose you must be having a meltdown that indy support is holding firm , and those of us who nationally id as scottish not british wont touch the british parties with a bargepole.
i suggest you come down off whatever drugs you are incessantly abusing , detox , and try and smarten yourself up and we could possibly have some interesting debates about scottish indy.
Don’t blame me for commenting on Jaydee and Morayloon. It was you who brought them into the discussion when you said that they “ consistently take my latest dribblings on this forum apart”. I simply looked back, by way of example, at my “latest dribblings” with both of them individually and described the outcome of them supposedly “tearing my dribblings apart”. In both cases their arguments were exposed as being totally without substance and they were both left with zero wiggle room to work with. Also, doubtless by coincidence but worth noting nonetheless, in both cases they have not been on this forum since. In Morayloon’s case, those exchanges are on this very thread, so it will be easy for you to check this out for yourself if you feel so inclined. If you do so then you will note that, while his posts do indeed demonstrate his total commitment to Scottish Indy, there is no sign of the intelligence or quality research that you credit him with; indeed, quite the opposite, in my view, as I made clear to him in my responses to his posts. As for my comment about your the convenient timing of your “holiday”, it did coincide with the period where ta deathly silence befell the Indy movement and its supporters not only on here but, as far as I could see, across the whole nation. Things are still pretty quiet on that front btw. i won’t use quote tags because I am not going to spend time tracking anything down for you , but I have picked you up on your racist attitudes in a recent thread on this forum when I compared your behaviour to the English football fans from 1980s who created an alternative false world in which black players contributions were ignored, much as you create an alternative false world which excludes you from association with the other nations of the UK - and also in a thread in another forum on this site where you made it clear that you are ok with our mimimum age of marriage being as low as 16 or as high as 19, just as long as it isn’t set at 18 as in England - and you were obviously prepared to accept child marriage of 16 and 17 year olds rather than be seen to be following England’s example. Then, of course, there is the occasion on the old site and your shameful attitude towards the death rate of a vulnerable group in England that I called you out on at the time. And then, of course, we still have the various false accusations that you continue to make against me and refuse to evidence in any way, despite me asking you to do so several times e.g. that I claim that there are not different legal systems operating in different parts of the country, or that I claim to be neutral on the issue of Scottish Independence. I have never claimed either to be the case but, instead, have made it very clear that the opposite is true, sometimes in direct exchanges with you or in threads that we were both simultaneously engaged in. In the case of my position on Scottish Independence, you have again accused me of claiming to be neutral about this matter on this very thread. You are either as limited in your reading and understanding skills and/or your powers of recollection as Morayloon or, as I have suggested above, you are not going to let anything as trivial as the truth get in the way of some cheap point scoring. As for explaining why Scottish Independence will not result in severe and prolonged economic damage and financial hardship, is the “other countries have done it and they still exist” argument really the level of analysis that you and the Indy supporters deem appropriate? Do you really think that it is appropriate to include, for example, nothing about how we deal with the problem of producing revenues that are 25% below the cost of providing us with our current standard of living that we enjoy; nothing about the costs of establishing ourselves as a separate country outside of the UK: nothing about our share of the massive UK debt that we would walk away with: nothing about the cost of servicing and reducing that massive debt to an acceptable level; nothing about where, if anywhere, we would find an Institution willing to give us a line of credit - or about what crippling rate we would have to accept should someone be prepared to take a risk on a new country with the financial problems I have just touched on: nothing about the struggle we would have attracting and retaining overseas investment from companies who would no longer be able to look upon locating in Scotland as a way into the much larger and more important UK market; nothing about retaining our brightest and best to help drive the newly independent Scotland up and out of the economic and financial hole that it would be in; nothing about how we would cope with a Brexit X 5 (or x 10 maybe) if we walked away from, and put up barriers to, the single UK market by opting for EU membership instead etc.etc. As for flagging up Ireland as an example of life after the UK, are you really sure that you meant to do this? Sure, Ireland is, in obvious ways, the best/only real life example of leaving the UK that we have out there but you do realise that for 60 years or so following independence, Ireland was very much the poor threadbare household in the neighbourhood, in many ways more akin to a 3rd than 1st world country, struggling to cope and grow to any extent while those around it flourished. I appreciate that Scotland would not be starting from as poor a position as Ireland did but the lesson that Ireland gives us of failing to grow and keep up with other nations for so long after independence supports my concerns about what would happen to an Indy Scotland. If that, or anything like it, is what you want for Scotland then count me out. And yes, sure, thank goodness, they finally got themselves out of that massive hole but let’s not overstate where they are at now, 100 years or more after independence. Ireland might have an impressive GDP figure but that just reflects their decision to court big multi-nationals into Ireland by offering them massive tax breaks and benefits. The Irish people don’t see much net benefit coming their way from that move and their underlying economy, upon which their standard of living really relies, is about 40% lower than their headline GDP. Irish economists tend to use this underlying figure, and to factor in the much higher cost of living in Ireland, when assessing where the Irish people really sit in comparison with other Europeans - and guess what? - when they do they find that they are just in a middling position compared to others and still probably a bit below their British counterparts. The following gives more detail if you are at all interested www.politico.eu/article/ireland-gdp-growth-multinationals-misleading/ |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 16:22:43 GMT
Don’t blame me for commenting on Jaydee and Morayloon. It was you who brought them into the discussion when you said that they “ consistently take my latest dribblings on this forum apart”. I simply looked back, by way of example, at my “latest dribblings” with both of them individually and described the outcome of their taking my dribblings apart. In both cases they were left exposed to all and sundry with zero wiggle room to work with and, in both cases, they have not been on this forum since. In Morayloon’s case, those exchanges are on this very thread, so it will be easy for you to check this out for yourself if you feel so inclined. If you do so then you will note that, while his posts do indeed demonstrate his total commitment to Scottish Indy, there is no sign of the intelligence or quality research that you credit him with; indeed, quite the opposite, in my view, as I made clear to him in my responses to his posts. As ever , when faced with happys fantastic claims of his ego brushing aside the little people on internet forums , we scratch the surface and see the opposite is the truth.
i will as ever accept your latest surrender. Happy if you make any more empty claims of wrongdoing without substantiating them you really are going to become the forums leade figure of ridicule.
prove all of this diversionary mud slinging waffle? Happy you need to stop making things up mate. The world isnt going to stop and scot indy dissappear by unionists like you running around screaming racist .
Have you learned nothing from diane abbots fall from grace today?
Its a valid point though, Not content with ignoring the graph i posted about how wee independent ireland is predicted to outstrip your failing uk economy this year , you havent told us why you feel an independent scotland is solely incapable of succeeding where not only our near neighbours have succeeded , but where another 64 countires globally have left london rule and thrived.
Screaming scotland is uniquely incapable of being independent and that we are all nasty english racists for trying is for the children in the playground.
what uk debt? over and over again and again with age old and failing points you go. The uk government in london is legally responsible for all its debt , and scotland is not obliged to take a share.
just re read this. I havent read such utter rubbish on this foru for a long time. Nasty irish eh leaving the uk and making a success of irish indy. Imagine courting big multi nationals into ireland and making a success of independence?
course they fucking do. I mean how stupid a comment can you make? You only need to compare the republic of ireland with the people in the britiish north to see how much richer the independent irish are.
Im sure the independent irish are clambering to rejoin the uk as they dont see any benefit coming their way, FFS , when you spout bollocks you really go out on a limb.
The poorest third recently were found in the republic to be vastly better off than the poorest third in the uk. Here in scotland , recently the resolution foundation found scottish workers were £11 grand worse off than thier irish and european compatriots for not being an indy nation and struggling under 15 years of westminster driven stagnation.
But scot indy will cause fire flood and armageddon you say. 
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 16:50:02 GMT
New research by the Resolution Foundation shows workers in the UK are £11,000 worse off a year after fifteen years of stagnation. It comes as the OBR warned that UK households face the biggest fall in living standards since records began, with real household disposable income (income adjusted for inflation) expected to fall by 6% between from this year to the next.
The Resolution Foundation research also shows typical UK household incomes are falling further behind neighbouring European countries – with household incomes in Germany now £4,000 better off than those in the UK, compared to £500 in 2008.
The OBR reported that Brexit is forecast to shrink UK GDP by 4%- with UK imports and exports 15 percent lower than if the UK had remained in the EU.
“This is what failure looks like”
Torsten Bell, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said that the wage stagnation of the past decade and a half is “almost completely unprecedented”, adding: “Nobody who’s alive and working in the British economy today has ever seen anything like this. This is definitely not what normal looks like. This is what failure looks like”.
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Post by Vinny on Apr 23, 2023 16:59:23 GMT
RIP SNP.
RIP SNAT cult.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 23, 2023 17:45:41 GMT
Don’t blame me for commenting on Jaydee and Morayloon. It was you who brought them into the discussion when you said that they “ consistently take my latest dribblings on this forum apart”. I simply looked back, by way of example, at my “latest dribblings” with both of them individually and described the outcome of their taking my dribblings apart. In both cases they were left exposed to all and sundry with zero wiggle room to work with and, in both cases, they have not been on this forum since. In Morayloon’s case, those exchanges are on this very thread, so it will be easy for you to check this out for yourself if you feel so inclined. If you do so then you will note that, while his posts do indeed demonstrate his total commitment to Scottish Indy, there is no sign of the intelligence or quality research that you credit him with; indeed, quite the opposite, in my view, as I made clear to him in my responses to his posts. As ever , when faced with happys fantastic claims of his ego brushing aside the little people on internet forums , we scratch the surface and see the opposite is the truth.
I can’t make any sense of your gibberish here, Thomas. However, I have said what I have said, and it is clearly correct, so if you are suggesting otherwise then so be it. As I keep saying, you have no interest in trivial things like the truth when it gets in the way of some cheap point scoring and wide-boy taunting.
i will as ever accept your latest surrender. Happy if you make any more empty claims of wrongdoing without substantiating them you really are going to become the forums leade figure of ridicule.
I have substantiated - just not spoon fed you in the manner that you requested.
prove all of this diversionary mud slinging waffle? Happy you need to stop making things up mate. The world isnt going to stop and scot indy dissappear by unionists like you running around screaming racist .
Have you learned nothing from diane abbots fall from grace today?
I am making nothing up. All that I describe happened, and all but the final point is still verifiable. Its a valid point though, Not content with ignoring the graph i posted about how wee independent ireland is predicted to outstrip your failing uk economy this year , you havent told us why you feel an independent scotland is solely incapable of succeeding where not only our near neighbours have succeeded , but where another 64 countires globally have left london rule and thrived.
Eh? I addressed the example of Ireland, and the issue of Ireland’s GDP, in some detail - and also posted a link for you to read that provides further comment and explanation for you.
And if you consider spending the first 6 decades or so after achieving independence wallowing in the doldrums and being called the poor man of Europe, and even now finding that its citizens enjoy a poorer standard of living than those in the country it walked away from, to be thriving, then you have a very different way of looking at things than me.
Screaming scotland is uniquely incapable of being independent and that we are all nasty english racists for trying is for the children in the playground.
just as well that I don’t do that then
what uk debt? over and over again and again with age old and failing points you go. The uk government in london is legally responsible for all its debt , and scotland is not obliged to take a share
Do you really think that the UK hasn’t run up any debt? Well, if you do, I have to tell you that you are mistaken because it has, and it is unsustainably high at present. That is the UK debt that I am referring to.
As for your point about it legally being the UK’s debt then that is undoubtedly the case. However, Scotland won’t be able to walk away without taking it’s fair share (or more) of the burden with it. Remember that Scotland can’t get its independence without Westminster’s agreement, so Westminster would have the whip-hand here and will get the deal it wants.
just re read this. I havent read such utter rubbish on this foru for a long time. Nasty irish eh leaving the uk and making a success of irish indy. Imagine courting big multi nationals into ireland and making a success of independence?
If 6 decades in the poorhouse and, more than a century later, still having a lower standard of living than their UK counterparts, is your idea of making a success of Indy, then you and your fellow Indy fanatics are a threat to us all. Or at least you would be if there was any prospect of independence coming along. Fortunately,that is no longer the case so you are not going to be able to inflict such damage upon us. course they fucking do. I mean how stupid a comment can you make? You only need to compare the republic of ireland with the people in the britiish north to see how much richer the independent irish are.
Im sure the independent irish are clambering to rejoin the uk as they dont see any benefit coming their way, FFS , when you spout bollocks you really go out on a limb.
The poorest third recently were found in the republic to be vastly better off than the poorest third in the uk. Here in scotland , recently the resolution foundation found scottish workers were £11 grand worse off than thier irish and european compatriots for not being an indy nation and struggling under 15 years of westminster driven stagnation.
But scot indy will cause fire flood and armageddon you say.
You oviously haven’t read the link that I provided. Either that or you lack the ability to understand what you are reading. Either way, it doesn’t diminish the validity of all that I said on this matter.
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Post by happyjack on Apr 23, 2023 18:03:08 GMT
New research by the Resolution Foundation shows workers in the UK are £11,000 worse off a year after fifteen years of stagnation. It comes as the OBR warned that UK households face the biggest fall in living standards since records began, with real household disposable income (income adjusted for inflation) expected to fall by 6% between from this year to the next.
The Resolution Foundation research also shows typical UK household incomes are falling further behind neighbouring European countries – with household incomes in Germany now £4,000 better off than those in the UK, compared to £500 in 2008.
The OBR reported that Brexit is forecast to shrink UK GDP by 4%- with UK imports and exports 15 percent lower than if the UK had remained in the EU.
“This is what failure looks like”
Torsten Bell, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said that the wage stagnation of the past decade and a half is “almost completely unprecedented”, adding: “Nobody who’s alive and working in the British economy today has ever seen anything like this. This is definitely not what normal looks like. This is what failure looks like”.
Yes, it is pretty bad. However, not in the same universe as the devastating impact of going Indy would be.. If it ever gets to that stage then that would be the time to start thinking about our options. |
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Post by thomas on Apr 23, 2023 18:47:41 GMT
As ever , when faced with happys fantastic claims of his ego brushing aside the little people on internet forums , we scratch the surface and see the opposite is the truth.
I can’t make any sense of your gibberish here, Thomas. However, I have said what I have said, and it is clearly correct, so if you are suggesting otherwise then so be it. As I keep saying, you have no interest in trivial things like the truth when it gets in the way of some cheap point scoring and wide-boy taunting.
i will as ever accept your latest surrender. Happy if you make any more empty claims of wrongdoing without substantiating them you really are going to become the forums leade figure of ridicule.
I have substantiated - just not spoon fed you in the manner that you requested.
prove all of this diversionary mud slinging waffle? Happy you need to stop making things up mate. The world isnt going to stop and scot indy dissappear by unionists like you running around screaming racist .
Have you learned nothing from diane abbots fall from grace today?
I am making nothing up. All that I describe happened, and all but the final point is still verifiable. Its a valid point though, Not content with ignoring the graph i posted about how wee independent ireland is predicted to outstrip your failing uk economy this year , you havent told us why you feel an independent scotland is solely incapable of succeeding where not only our near neighbours have succeeded , but where another 64 countires globally have left london rule and thrived.
Eh? I addressed the example of Ireland, and the issue of Ireland’s GDP, in some detail - and also posted a link for you to read that provides further comment and explanation for you.
And if you consider spending the first 6 decades or so after achieving independence wallowing in the doldrums and being called the poor man of Europe, and even now finding that its citizens enjoy a poorer standard of living than those in the country it walked away from, to be thriving, then you have a very different way of looking at things than me.
Screaming scotland is uniquely incapable of being independent and that we are all nasty english racists for trying is for the children in the playground.
just as well that I don’t do that then
what uk debt? over and over again and again with age old and failing points you go. The uk government in london is legally responsible for all its debt , and scotland is not obliged to take a share
Do you really think that the UK hasn’t run up any debt? Well, if you do, I have to tell you that you are mistaken because it has, and it is unsustainably high at present. That is the UK debt that I am referring to.
As for your point about it legally being the UK’s debt then that is undoubtedly the case. However, Scotland won’t be able to walk away without taking it’s fair share (or more) of the burden with it. Remember that Scotland can’t get its independence without Westminster’s agreement, so Westminster would have the whip-hand here and will get the deal it wants.
just re read this. I havent read such utter rubbish on this foru for a long time. Nasty irish eh leaving the uk and making a success of irish indy. Imagine courting big multi nationals into ireland and making a success of independence?
If 6 decades in the poorhouse and, more than a century later, still having a lower standard of living than their UK counterparts, is your idea of making a success of Indy, then you and your fellow Indy fanatics are a threat to us all. Or at least you would be if there was any prospect of independence coming along. Fortunately,that is no longer the case so you are not going to be able to inflict such damage upon us. course they fucking do. I mean how stupid a comment can you make? You only need to compare the republic of ireland with the people in the britiish north to see how much richer the independent irish are.
Im sure the independent irish are clambering to rejoin the uk as they dont see any benefit coming their way, FFS , when you spout bollocks you really go out on a limb.
The poorest third recently were found in the republic to be vastly better off than the poorest third in the uk. Here in scotland , recently the resolution foundation found scottish workers were £11 grand worse off than thier irish and european compatriots for not being an indy nation and struggling under 15 years of westminster driven stagnation.
But scot indy will cause fire flood and armageddon you say.
You oviously haven’t read the link that I provided. Either that or you lack the ability to understand what you are reading. Either way, it doesn’t diminish the validity of all that I said on this matter.
are you misquoting and struggling with the quote tags deliberately ? I will come back to this when i have the chance to sort out that mess of a fucking post. |
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Post by Vinny on Apr 23, 2023 19:04:30 GMT
New research by the Resolution Foundation shows workers in the UK are £11,000 worse off a year after fifteen years of stagnation. It comes as the OBR warned that UK households face the biggest fall in living standards since records began, with real household disposable income (income adjusted for inflation) expected to fall by 6% between from this year to the next.
The Resolution Foundation research also shows typical UK household incomes are falling further behind neighbouring European countries – with household incomes in Germany now £4,000 better off than those in the UK, compared to £500 in 2008.
The OBR reported that Brexit is forecast to shrink UK GDP by 4%- with UK imports and exports 15 percent lower than if the UK had remained in the EU.
“This is what failure looks like”
Torsten Bell, chief executive of the Resolution Foundation, said that the wage stagnation of the past decade and a half is “almost completely unprecedented”, adding: “Nobody who’s alive and working in the British economy today has ever seen anything like this. This is definitely not what normal looks like. This is what failure looks like”.
Yes, it is pretty bad. However, not in the same universe as the devastating impact of going Indy would be.. If it ever gets to that stage then that would be the time to start thinking about our options. Well said. |
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Post by happyjack on Apr 23, 2023 20:17:52 GMT
are you misquoting and struggling with the quote tags deliberately ? I will come back to this when i have the chance to sort out that mess of a fucking post. You will need to show me where I am misquoting you. I have scrolled through your earlier post and to my eye it looks as though I have quoted it verbatim - except that a figure "2" has somehow slipped in ahead of the body of one of your sentences. Is a rogue figure "2" creeping in enough to throw you? As for my responses, they are very simple to follow too unless you have zero mental flexibility or are determined to not understand. I suspect a bit of both in your case, Thomas. Anyway, although it doesn't need explaining, the post is exactly as you posted with my new comments added in Bold directly below each of your comments, just as your comments on my original comments were added by you directly below mine and as evety other comment that anybody makes on any other comment is added below the comment that tghey are responding to. What*s remotely difficult about that? Were you really incapable of recognising that that was what you were looking at that it merited your last post - or were you just show-boating? |
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