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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 17:09:52 GMT
I'm not making them up. I'm telling you what he said. "there is a special place in hell for the people who pushed Brexit without even a sketch of a plan how to carry it out safely." He was speaking to the Irish Prime Minister. He was referring to the hell that might come from a breakdown in the Good Friday Agreement. You just make up any shit. Typical Brexiter. you are a typical remoaner, if Tusk was a Brexiteer and said that about remainers we'd never hear the last of it, Tusk would have been fired, his career over, the super power lefties allowed him to say it, and get away with it. Nope. He was absolutely right. The government took us out of the EU without a clue what to do about the GFI. You calling me a remoaner doesn't change that at all.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 25, 2023 17:10:50 GMT
you are a typical remoaner, if Tusk was a Brexiteer and said that about remainers we'd never hear the last of it, Tusk would have been fired, his career over, the super power lefties allowed him to say it, and get away with it. Nope. He was absolutely right. The government took us out of the EU without a clue what to do about the GFI. You calling me a remoaner doesn't change that at all. yeah the exact same way they first signed us in up to it, clueless what we were 'actually' signing in to.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 17:12:35 GMT
You are the one making out the EUSS's economy is doing better than the UK's.....Anyone would think that there hasn't been a global pandemic and all that entails plus having to deal with the EUSSR's invictive little antic because we chose to leave their dictatorship. The UK chose to self-harm. Believing only the UK had to deal with the effects of Covid and the Ukraine War is an illustration of your delusion... What self harm? Is it the UK's fault the EUSSR put their faith in a despo like putin for their supply of gas?
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 17:26:54 GMT
Nope. He was absolutely right. The government took us out of the EU without a clue what to do about the GFI. You calling me a remoaner doesn't change that at all. yeah the exact same way they first signed us in up to it, clueless what we were 'actually' signing in to. Nope, the EU was a gradual process, there was no joining it in its current form.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 25, 2023 17:37:51 GMT
yeah the exact same way they first signed us in up to it, clueless what we were 'actually' signing in to. Nope, the EU was a gradual process, there was no joining it in its current form. The United Kingdom joined the European Communities as a member state on 1 January 1973, along with Denmark and the Republic of Ireland. The EC would later become the European Union. EEC
We did not sign up to the EU. The EU wasn't recognised until 1st November 1993, Maastricht Treaty and ratified by all members of the European Community (EC), out of which the EU developed.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2023 18:31:20 GMT
you must be very naive if you think we can just kiss goodbye to the EU nice knowing you, and that's that.
As Red quite rightly pointed out we have over near 50 years of legality to sift through , it will be at least 10 years before we start to feel the real benefits of Brexit.
In the mean time the remoaners can use it for every excuse for failure in the hopes we'll have another referendum and rejoin the cesspit.
I never thought that. That's why I was a remainer, I fully expected life outside the EU to be far more difficult than what everybody's favourite snake oil salesman was telling us. I didn't expect America to offer us a better deal than they offered EU members, I didn't even expect immigration to fall. Apparently now al you Brexiters new that as well, just not at the time. However I recognise the latest excuse for the delay in reaching the sunlight uplands, apparently we've left the EU but are still controlled by its red tape. Pretty good excuse, still being able to blame the EU 7 years after we left. There goes your maths again Zany. We left the EU on 31 Jan 2020, that's 3 years ago.
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Post by patman post on Mar 25, 2023 19:15:54 GMT
Nope, the EU was a gradual process, there was no joining it in its current form. The United Kingdom joined the European Communities as a member state on 1 January 1973, along with Denmark and the Republic of Ireland. The EC would later become the European Union. EEC
We did not sign up to the EU. The EU wasn't recognised until 1st November 1993, Maastricht Treaty and ratified by all members of the European Community (EC), out of which the EU developed.
I didn’t put UK on my car until the govt decided it was due. Apparently loyalists across the water thought GB was inappropriate. We didn’t have a referendum on it because nothing of consequence changed. My suspicion is that GB is likely to be more in demand again as Ireland unites when the North accepts that the EU gives them a higher standard of living, and sovereignty poverty won’t cut the mustard. Loyalists flooding back to Scotland won’t help the independence movement there…
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 19:31:28 GMT
Nope, the EU was a gradual process, there was no joining it in its current form. The United Kingdom joined the European Communities as a member state on 1 January 1973, along with Denmark and the Republic of Ireland. The EC would later become the European Union. EEC
We did not sign up to the EU. The EU wasn't recognised until 1st November 1993, Maastricht Treaty and ratified by all members of the European Community (EC), out of which the EU developed.
Agreed.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 19:35:28 GMT
I never thought that. That's why I was a remainer, I fully expected life outside the EU to be far more difficult than what everybody's favourite snake oil salesman was telling us. I didn't expect America to offer us a better deal than they offered EU members, I didn't even expect immigration to fall. Apparently now al you Brexiters new that as well, just not at the time. However I recognise the latest excuse for the delay in reaching the sunlight uplands, apparently we've left the EU but are still controlled by its red tape. Pretty good excuse, still being able to blame the EU 7 years after we left. There goes your maths again Zany. We left the EU on 31 Jan 2020, that's 3 years ago. We voted to leave in 2016. I think most people knew what I meant. Apologies that you couldn't work that out. My point was that from 2016 we began the exploratory process of making our own trade deals
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 19:45:40 GMT
There goes your maths again Zany. We left the EU on 31 Jan 2020, that's 3 years ago. We voted to leave in 2016. I think most people knew what I meant. Apologies that you couldn't work that out. My point was that from 2016 we began the exploratory process of making our own trade deals Which the UK has done, so what's your beef over the fact apart from crying because the UK left a dictatorship?
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 19:47:33 GMT
We voted to leave in 2016. I think most people knew what I meant. Apologies that you couldn't work that out. My point was that from 2016 we began the exploratory process of making our own trade deals Which the UK has done, so what's your beef over the fact apart from crying because the UK left a dictatorship? Your lack of ability to follow the conversation is at least amusing.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 25, 2023 19:52:18 GMT
Unfortunately the political classes would not enter into real debate over the EU until UKIP threatened the political system by getting more votes than either the SNP or Lib Dems yet no seats making a mockery of our political system.
Now a movement is springing up in the Netherlands over the WEF's attack on farming and like England they feel over populated so immigration is no.2 on their grievances.
Farming is also a contentious point in neighbouring Belgium amongst the Flemish.
This is a problem with the EU, a democratic deficit where un-elected bodies like the WEF are allowed to drive policy.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 19:58:34 GMT
Which the UK has done, so what's your beef over the fact apart from crying because the UK left a dictatorship? Your lack of ability to follow the conversation is at least amusing. FFS a kid of 5 could understand your rants and be better at maths.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 25, 2023 20:03:48 GMT
Unfortunately the political classes would not enter into real debate over the EU until UKIP threatened the political system by getting more votes than either the SNP or Lib Dems yet no seats making a mockery of our political system. Now a movement is springing up in the Netherlands over the WEF's attack on farming and like England they feel over populated so immigration is no.2 on their grievances. Farming is also a contentious point in neighbouring Belgium amongst the Flemish. This is a problem with the EU, a democratic deficit where un-elected bodies like the WEF are allowed to drive policy. Your first sentence here is the real nub of the matter. Brexit supporters had no choice but to go for a quick decisive exit because the UK politicians had refused earlier calls for a slow down. So when the vote went through they demanded an immediate exit. Sadly this has caused many issues that could have been dealt with by negotiation. Cameron carries much of the weight of this on his shoulders for not telling the public about the EU's compromise offers because he didn't want them and hoped and expected the vote would be remain.
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Post by jonksy on Mar 25, 2023 20:14:47 GMT
Unfortunately the political classes would not enter into real debate over the EU until UKIP threatened the political system by getting more votes than either the SNP or Lib Dems yet no seats making a mockery of our political system. Now a movement is springing up in the Netherlands over the WEF's attack on farming and like England they feel over populated so immigration is no.2 on their grievances. Farming is also a contentious point in neighbouring Belgium amongst the Flemish. This is a problem with the EU, a democratic deficit where un-elected bodies like the WEF are allowed to drive policy. Your first sentence here is the real nub of the matter. Brexit supporters had no choice but to go for a quick decisive exit because the UK politicians had refused earlier calls for a slow down. So when the vote went through they demanded an immediate exit. Sadly this has caused many issues that could have been dealt with by negotiation. Cameron carries much of the weight of this on his shoulders for not telling the public about the EU's compromise offers because he didn't want them and hoped and expected the vote would be remain. What compromise? The EUSSR were not satisfied with turning him down they went on to humiliate him. And no I do not hold a candle for Cameron.
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