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Post by Tinculin on Oct 7, 2022 21:38:42 GMT
Because Dragons are cool.  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 7, 2022 22:16:41 GMT
I'm afraid that abomination would never pass muster at Rackham Towers.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 7, 2022 22:40:00 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that.
Go Longshanks.
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Post by thomas on Oct 9, 2022 19:12:45 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that. Go Longshanks. Im no sure thats quite true monty.
Although wales was conquered by the norman french king Edward plantagenet in the 13th century , and then passed the statute of ruddlan , where the welsh nation was then governed as a prinicipality of the crown from 1284 to 1536 , it was the acts passed in the 16th century that incorporated wales into the english kingdom , and dissolved welsh law and replaced it with english law.
This meant when the english crown fell to james the 6th in 1603 , wales was represented by englands flag as part of england , and thus wasnt included in the union flag .
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 9, 2022 19:54:42 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that. Go Longshanks. Im no sure thats quite true monty.
Although wales was conquered by the norman french king Edward plantagenet in the 13th century , and then passed the statute of ruddlan , where the welsh nation was then governed as a prinicipality of the crown from 1284 to 1536 , it was the acts passed in the 16th century that incorporated wales into the english kingdom , and dissolved welsh law and replaced it with english law.
This meant when the english crown fell to james the 6th in 1603 , wales was represented by englands flag as part of england , and thus wasnt included in the union flag .
Isn't that what I said? King Eddy One subjugated the Welsh so effectively they were reduced from a kingdom to a principality and never again had a king of their own. His investiture of his own effeminate son as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon further doomed the kingdom of Wales to history. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 9, 2022 19:55:17 GMT
Ps. It's Monte not Monty if you would be so kind.
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Post by thomas on Oct 9, 2022 19:58:28 GMT
Im no sure thats quite true monty.
Although wales was conquered by the norman french king Edward plantagenet in the 13th century , and then passed the statute of ruddlan , where the welsh nation was then governed as a prinicipality of the crown from 1284 to 1536 , it was the acts passed in the 16th century that incorporated wales into the english kingdom , and dissolved welsh law and replaced it with english law.
This meant when the english crown fell to james the 6th in 1603 , wales was represented by englands flag as part of england , and thus wasnt included in the union flag .
Isn't that what I said? King Eddy One subjugated the Welsh so effectively they were reduced from a kingdom to a principality and never again had a king of their own. His investiture of his own effeminate son as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon further doomed the kingdom of Wales to history. Ok "Monte" , perhaps i was being overley pedantic. Im just pointing out the relevant part of wales not being represented ( arent they the lucky ones) on the onion flag is in the 16th century , rather than the 13th century as you hinted. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 9, 2022 19:58:49 GMT
Ps. It's Monte not Monty if you would be so kind. My apologies. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 9, 2022 20:02:36 GMT
Im no sure thats quite true monty.
Although wales was conquered by the norman french king Edward plantagenet in the 13th century , and then passed the statute of ruddlan , where the welsh nation was then governed as a prinicipality of the crown from 1284 to 1536 , it was the acts passed in the 16th century that incorporated wales into the english kingdom , and dissolved welsh law and replaced it with english law.
This meant when the english crown fell to james the 6th in 1603 , wales was represented by englands flag as part of england , and thus wasnt included in the union flag .
His investiture of his own effeminate son as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon further doomed the kingdom of Wales to history. Im not sure it was that simple. I think this was more of a PR stunt than anything else. Didnt seem to work as the welsh were still rebelling agaisnt the anglo norman crown a century later under owain glyndwr , and of course politically there has been welsh independence movements since at least the nineteenth century. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 9, 2022 20:03:57 GMT
Isn't that what I said? King Eddy One subjugated the Welsh so effectively they were reduced from a kingdom to a principality and never again had a king of their own. His investiture of his own effeminate son as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon further doomed the kingdom of Wales to history. Ok "Monte" , perhaps i was being overley pedantic. Im just pointing out the relevant part of wales not being represented ( arent they the lucky ones) on the onion flag is in the 16th century , rather than the 13th century as you hinted.  LOL. I hope onion flag is a witticism and not just a typo. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 9, 2022 20:07:18 GMT
Ok "Monte" , perhaps i was being overley pedantic. Im just pointing out the relevant part of wales not being represented ( arent they the lucky ones) on the onion flag is in the 16th century , rather than the 13th century as you hinted. LOL. I hope onion flag is a witticism and not just a typo. Definetly no a typo monte. I mean lets be fair , this isnt a union is it? More a prison from what we are being told. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 9, 2022 20:09:12 GMT
His investiture of his own effeminate son as Prince of Wales at Caernarfon further doomed the kingdom of Wales to history. Im not sure it was that simple. I think this was more of a PR stunt than anything else. Didnt seem to work as the welsh were still rebelling agaisnt the anglo norman crown a century later under owain glyndwr , and of course politically there has been welsh independence movements since at least the nineteenth century. It was actually a clever and well thought out political move. Investing him as a baby thereby getting around the Welsh rule that no person who speaks a single word of English shall be made Prince of Wales was genius (and quite amusing ). |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 9, 2022 20:13:27 GMT
LOL. I hope onion flag is a witticism and not just a typo. Definetly no a typo monte. I mean lets be fair , this isnt a union is it? More a prison from what we are being told. I'm in favour of self determination whether it is Gibraltar, the Falklands, Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales. I shall be sorry to see you go but if you can win a free and fair referendum you have my blessing. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 9, 2022 23:15:56 GMT
I like this take on our flag.
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Post by thomas on Oct 10, 2022 7:42:43 GMT
Im not sure it was that simple. I think this was more of a PR stunt than anything else. Didnt seem to work as the welsh were still rebelling agaisnt the anglo norman crown a century later under owain glyndwr , and of course politically there has been welsh independence movements since at least the nineteenth century. It was actually a clever and well thought out political move. Investing him as a baby thereby getting around the Welsh rule that no person who speaks a single word of English shall be made Prince of Wales was genius (and quite amusing ). Edward plantagenet and his son didnt speak "english" . They spoke norman French. You have to think along the lines at this time period of England being a conquered country living under a brutal french military dictatorship . As the linguist dr mario pei stated , english ( old english) was merely the jargon of peasants and had ceased to be a written language at this time period.
So im not sur what rule you mean , but certainly it wouldt have applied in the late 13th early 14th century towards the plantagenets.
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