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Post by thomas on Oct 10, 2022 7:44:08 GMT
Definetly no a typo monte. I mean lets be fair , this isnt a union is it? More a prison from what we are being told. I'm in favour of self determination whether it is Gibraltar, the Falklands, Northern Ireland, Scotland or Wales. I shall be sorry to see you go but if you can win a free and fair referendum you have my blessing. Thankyou for your sentiments, but im refereing to the uk government stance that scotland cannot have a referendum with the remark about this not being a union more of a prison. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 10, 2022 9:15:35 GMT
The past is the past, it cannot be changed.
Then, dictators ruled.
Now democrats rule.
This thread is about Wales, not Scotland btw.
Wales, just like Scotland rather likes the Union.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2022 9:19:13 GMT
It was actually a clever and well thought out political move. Investing him as a baby thereby getting around the Welsh rule that no person who speaks a single word of English shall be made Prince of Wales was genius (and quite amusing ). Edward plantagenet and his son didnt speak "english" . They spoke norman French. You have to think along the lines at this time period of England being a conquered country living under a brutal french military dictatorship . As the linguist dr mario pei stated , english ( old english) was merely the jargon of peasants and had ceased to be a written language at this time period.
So im not sur what rule you mean , but certainly it wouldt have applied in the late 13th early 14th century towards the plantagenets.
You may be right. It could be an urban myth according to Wiki He was deliberately born at Caernarfon castle though to make him Welsh born and more acceptable to the Welsh people. |
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Post by colbops on Oct 12, 2022 22:47:53 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that. He didn't strike me as a vindaloo lover. Live and learn I guess! |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 12, 2022 22:55:35 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that. He didn't strike me as a vindaloo lover. Live and learn I guess! You might be thinking about ''the ring of fire'' which is a seismically active region around Pacifico's rim. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 13, 2022 11:32:15 GMT
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2022 6:48:28 GMT
He was deliberately born at Caernarfon castle though to make him Welsh born and more acceptable to the Welsh people. Completely understand , but if you are born in a stable , it doesnt make you a horse.
Nationality is a mindset.
It was a pr stunt the welsh never took to. As we saw a century after the death of plantaganet , the welsh were rising up against their "welsh monarch" under owain glyndwr , and even today , the welsh mock the title "prince of wales".
Empty monarchial titles were and are generally meaningless to the vast majority of ordinary people. When Charlie gets coronated , like his mother , im sure he will retain such empty titles as "duke of normandy" and such like.
No one seriously sees charles as the duke of normandy , just as the welsh then and now didnt seriously see anglo normans and their descendants as the prince of wales.
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Post by thomas on Oct 14, 2022 6:48:55 GMT
We have Edward I and his ''Ring of Iron'' to thank for that. He didn't strike me as a vindaloo lover. Live and learn I guess!  |
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Post by borchester on Oct 14, 2022 20:11:52 GMT
He didn't strike me as a vindaloo lover. Live and learn I guess! I am trying to draw some sort of analogy between Edward I's ring of iron and his son dying by way of a hot poker up his bottom but, as Edward II himself said, it ain't Easy |
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Post by colbops on Oct 14, 2022 20:20:49 GMT
I like this take on our flag. This is what I saw when I was driving past Red's house the other day  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 14, 2022 20:40:18 GMT
I am trying to draw some sort of analogy between Edward I's ring of iron and his son dying by way of a hot poker up his bottom but, as Edward II himself said, it ain't Easy I was sailing with a posh guy who claimed to be able to trace his family all the way back to those responsible for Edward II's poetic end. We were on night duty in the middle of Biscay with very little wind and he was whiling away the time telling me the list of nobles in his history and how he was in direct line to the barons who did the dirty deed. When he finished telling the story he leaned forward and said ''we've still got the poker''. I've never worked out if he was telling the truth. |
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Post by borchester on Oct 14, 2022 21:17:07 GMT
I am trying to draw some sort of analogy between Edward I's ring of iron and his son dying by way of a hot poker up his bottom but, as Edward II himself said, it ain't Easy I was sailing with a posh guy who claimed to be able to trace his family all the way back to those responsible for Edward II's poetic end. We were on night duty in the middle of Biscay with very little wind and he was whiling away the time telling me the list of nobles in his history and how he was in direct line to the barons who did the dirty deed. When he finished telling the story he leaned forward and said ''we've still got the poker''. I've never worked out if he was telling the truth.  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 14, 2022 21:27:37 GMT
Not about having the poker.
Whether he could trace his ancestry back.
If it was all a long set up for a joke about the poker then kudos.
He did the whole thing straight faced.
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