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Post by Handyman on Mar 15, 2023 9:09:48 GMT
Entering the UK without valid travel documents is an Offence as it is in most countries , the fact that we do not prosecute each and every one that is caught doing so does not mean they have not committed an Offence, it makes common sense and economic sense not to do so.
If we did prosecute every Adult last year alone that entered the UK unlawfully it would mean many more thousands of Court Cases which are costly, our Courts already have a huge backlog of Criminal Cases due to Covid some people have been on Bail or held in Prison awaiting trial for at least two years or possibly longer, their victims want Justice as well they have to wait, the wheels of Justice turn slowly enough as it is in normal times.
The EU is awash with Alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants not just the UK, these people genuine or not are paying thousands of pounds to cross the Channel , as they do to cross the Mediterranean Sea that money is funding International Crime Syndicates right across Europe and as far away as Turkey, some are based here in the UK as well, they are making millions of pounds every month which funds more smuggling drugs, woman and children for the sex trade, etc etc.
We and the EU have to do something to try and stop the flow of so many people, driven from the homelands due to Civil Wars, Famine, and Poverty religious intolerance etc , as fast as the authorities smash one smuggling gang another one takes its place, with the best will in the world no country can absorb so many people without damaging its own country its economy and the indigenous people and their culture.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 9:14:54 GMT
Entering the UK without valid travel documents is an Offence as it is in most countries , the fact that we do not prosecute each and every one that is caught doing so does not mean they have not committed an Offence, it makes common sense and economic sense not to do so. If we did prosecute every Adult last year alone that entered the UK unlawfully it would mean many more thousands of Court Cases which are costly, our Courts already have a huge backlog of Criminal Cases due to Covid some people have been on Bail or held in Prison awaiting trial for at least two years or possibly longer, their victims want Justice as well they have to wait, the wheels of Justice turn slowly enough as it is in normal times. The EU is awash with Alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants not just the UK, these people genuine or not are paying thousands of pounds to cross the Channel , as they do to cross the Mediterranean Sea that money is funding International Crime Syndicates right across Europe and as far away as Turkey, some are based here in the UK as well, they are making millions of pounds every month which funds more smuggling drugs, woman and children for the sex trade, etc etc. We and the EU have to do something to try and stop the flow of so many people, driven from the homelands due to Civil Wars, Famine, and Poverty religious intolerance etc , as fast as the authorities smash one smuggling gang another one takes its place, with the best will in the world no country can absorb so many people without damaging its own country its economy and the indigenous people and their culture. Untrue. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2023 9:15:41 GMT
Rubbish. All the people in charge are Tories appointed by the Tories. Yet it is only the Tories who advocate scrapping the BBC Tax... That should tell us all something.
The fact Labour aren't calling for the licence fee to be axed tells you they want it continued to be funded by the public because it's Free campaigning for them.
If it was anti-left we'd never hear the last of Starmer and BIG gob Rayner demanding it should no longer be funded by the public, they are absolute hypocrites.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 15, 2023 9:19:33 GMT
Entering the UK without valid travel documents is an Offence as it is in most countries , the fact that we do not prosecute each and every one that is caught doing so does not mean they have not committed an Offence, it makes common sense and economic sense not to do so. If we did prosecute every Adult last year alone that entered the UK unlawfully it would mean many more thousands of Court Cases which are costly, our Courts already have a huge backlog of Criminal Cases due to Covid some people have been on Bail or held in Prison awaiting trial for at least two years or possibly longer, their victims want Justice as well they have to wait, the wheels of Justice turn slowly enough as it is in normal times. The EU is awash with Alleged Asylum Seekers and Economic Migrants not just the UK, these people genuine or not are paying thousands of pounds to cross the Channel , as they do to cross the Mediterranean Sea that money is funding International Crime Syndicates right across Europe and as far away as Turkey, some are based here in the UK as well, they are making millions of pounds every month which funds more smuggling drugs, woman and children for the sex trade, etc etc. We and the EU have to do something to try and stop the flow of so many people, driven from the homelands due to Civil Wars, Famine, and Poverty religious intolerance etc , as fast as the authorities smash one smuggling gang another one takes its place, with the best will in the world no country can absorb so many people without damaging its own country its economy and the indigenous people and their culture. Untrue. Then prove it |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2023 9:21:05 GMT
Yet it is only the Tories who advocate scrapping the BBC Tax... That should tell us all something.
The fact Labour aren't calling for the licence fee to be axed tells you they want it continued to be funded by the public because it's Free campaigning for them.
If it was anti-left we'd never hear the last of Starmer and BIG gob Rayner demanding it should no longer be funded by the public, they are absolute hypocrites.
On the bright side they are up the creek this time, saying things so they please each others voters and then doing nothing and doing a uturn at the first possible moment is old hat and as we have seen of late, they don't have any voters between them but a very small minority. so it is either do as the majority ask them or P45 time. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 15, 2023 9:22:34 GMT
It clearly isn't, unless the Tories really have been infiltrated by Marxist ideology, and if it were, shall we say, Conservative, then lefties on here would support me in scrapping the BBC tax. Of course they won't, because it's their propaganda platform. Rubbish. All the people in charge are Tories appointed by the Tories. Jug ears was employed long before a tory donor took the helm of the bullshit broadcastin company......Never mind karen you are good for a laugh. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2023 9:30:27 GMT
As Cameron was always telling us they are all running UK PLC, but as UK PLC takes and doesn't deliver on pretty much anything it is time that UK PLC was closed down and a new company formed where the shareholders actually get a say on how the company is run. As currently the Directors are a law unto themselves.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 15, 2023 9:37:17 GMT
That should tell us all something.
The fact Labour aren't calling for the licence fee to be axed tells you they want it continued to be funded by the public because it's Free campaigning for them.
If it was anti-left we'd never hear the last of Starmer and BIG gob Rayner demanding it should no longer be funded by the public, they are absolute hypocrites.
On the bright side they are up the creek this time, saying things so they please each others voters and then doing nothing and doing a uturn at the first possible moment is old hat and as we have seen of late, they don't have any voters between them but a very small minority. so it is either do as the majority ask them or P45 time. If I wanted to donate to my preferred political party I would do so, the way I see it my licence fee is donating towards the Labour party, I do not pay a licence fee so the BBC can endorse one particular political party, I am not alone in this belief.
Why should millions of people subscribe to the Labour party via the BBC, because basically that is what we are doing, on those grounds people could cancel their licence fees, the BBC needs to check the legality of such a mass-action.
**Group litigation is the legal term used in the UK to describe collective legal action brought by a group of claimants that have been affected by an occurrence in the same way, whether it be negligence, an incident or other cause. Those actions are often brought against large companies or corporations.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 15, 2023 9:44:03 GMT
On the bright side they are up the creek this time, saying things so they please each others voters and then doing nothing and doing a uturn at the first possible moment is old hat and as we have seen of late, they don't have any voters between them but a very small minority. so it is either do as the majority ask them or P45 time. If I wanted to donate to my preferred political party I would do so, the way I see it my licence fee is donating towards the Labour party, I do not pay a licence fee so the BBC can endorse one particular political party, I am not alone in this belief.
Why should millions of people subscribe to the Labour party via the BBC, because basically that is what we are doing, on those grounds people could cancel their licence fees, the BBC needs to check the legality of such a mass-action.
**Group litigation is the legal term used in the UK to describe collective legal action brought by a group of claimants that have been affected by an occurrence in the same way, whether it be negligence, an incident or other cause. Those actions are often brought against large companies or corporations.
The thing is we all agree pretty much, the BBC is much too deeply involved with politics, it isn't impartial so it has become a dead weight. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 15, 2023 9:55:03 GMT
For one thing the nature of the license fee itself offends against left wing sensibilities. We see it as a poll tax on TV ownership, one which takes zero account of ability to pay, hits poor people hardest, and is enforced by draconian legal sanctions. After all if I don't pay other bills the worst thing likely to eventually happen is being cut off or having the bailiffs appear. With the license fee I could receive a massive fine and be sent to prison. Even those of us on the left who might support the BBC favour removing the legal sanctions and replacing the funding model with something fairer. And when the left was a driving force in Labour in the teeth of much internal opposition, we experienced the BBC as an establishmentarian propaganda tool used against us, with anti left bias which was at times quite blatant. Since then the left has in consequence become markedly more anti-BBC than it used to be. But we do worry about a television landscape filled with blatantly right wing propaganda posing as news of a kind similar to GBNews. I tend to think genuine impartiality rules should be legally binding upon all TV News and current affairs output. The flaw here though is that I don't trust most of our politicians of any political party to come up with truly impartial rules. The massive fine is not for not paying it is for using equipment without a licence to do so. I am always interested in 'ability to pay' as that requires a judgement being made by someone that the ability is not there and of course means that judgements are made as regards everyone else that they either have the ability or do not. An issue fraught with difficulties. The thing with GBNews is that the point of view of the presenters is countered with the point of view of commentators who are allowed to comment freely. So at least the 'propaganda' does not receive wall to wall agreement. If only that was matched by other channels most especially the BBC. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2023 10:03:57 GMT
I reckon Linekergate will be a factor at the next election. People shouldn't back down, even if the corrupt BBC has. It's the people that are forced to pay to be lied to by the BBC's millionaire Marxists. "BBC's millionaire Marxists" who in this case, donate thousands of pounds to the Conservative party? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 10:13:03 GMT
For one thing the nature of the license fee itself offends against left wing sensibilities. We see it as a poll tax on TV ownership, one which takes zero account of ability to pay, hits poor people hardest, and is enforced by draconian legal sanctions. After all if I don't pay other bills the worst thing likely to eventually happen is being cut off or having the bailiffs appear. With the license fee I could receive a massive fine and be sent to prison. Even those of us on the left who might support the BBC favour removing the legal sanctions and replacing the funding model with something fairer. And when the left was a driving force in Labour in the teeth of much internal opposition, we experienced the BBC as an establishmentarian propaganda tool used against us, with anti left bias which was at times quite blatant. Since then the left has in consequence become markedly more anti-BBC than it used to be. But we do worry about a television landscape filled with blatantly right wing propaganda posing as news of a kind similar to GBNews. I tend to think genuine impartiality rules should be legally binding upon all TV News and current affairs output. The flaw here though is that I don't trust most of our politicians of any political party to come up with truly impartial rules. The massive fine is not for not paying it is for using equipment without a licence to do so. I am always interested in 'ability to pay' as that requires a judgement being made by someone that the ability is not there and of course means that judgements are made as regards everyone else that they either have the ability or do not. An issue fraught with difficulties. The thing with GBNews is that the point of view of the presenters is countered with the point of view of commentators who are allowed to comment freely. So at least the 'propaganda' does not receive wall to wall agreement. If only that was matched by other channels most especially the BBC. A very accurate and fair post. It's strange that GB News, which isn't bound by any impartiality rules, is far more balanced than the Marxist BBC. I guess this is because they depend on ratings and an audience, so have to be of a much higher standard, unlike the Marxist BBC that relies on threats and extortion.
Scrap the BBC tax.
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Post by see2 on Mar 15, 2023 10:27:20 GMT
Not according to international law. Asylum seekers are perfectly entitled to cross borders in order to claim asylum. Cruella's attempt to criminalise asylum seekers will fail because it breaks international law. If anyone is a criminal it is her. Then doesn’t international law need to change? I think most people understand we need to accept genuine asylum seekers what we shouldn’t and cannot continue to do is accept economic migrants and others intent on criminal behaviour. When you put this forward it’s presented as racist and right wing,I’m neither but what I do believe is the mass movement of people will increase apace,do you believe anyone who crosses our borders should be allowed to claim asylum and do you have any ideas how we solve these problems or should we just accept any that rock up. This is not just aimed at you but any of the naysayers,even Lineker in the unlikely event he pops in. I agree with most of your post except for the idea that it is only of any concern to Lefties, some of whom in fairness don't know their arse from their elbow. But are still at times able to make some relevant comments. Separating the genuine asylum seekers from the rest should be done, but it sounds like a mammoth task as many countries have just been overwhelmed by the numbers involved. Like yourself I hope a solution can be found, and the sooner the better. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 15, 2023 10:38:59 GMT
Isn’t it odd the BBC couldn’t find alternative presenters to host MOTD?… while they were clarifying to what degree politico Lineker broke the BBC’s rules.
If his narrative was to seal the borders and put immigrants being given poor treatment by France and the EU … fairly to the back of the UK queue. …. He would be at the dole office now for sure!
Lineker wants Free Speech to spout off supporting BLM racists… but wants Elon Musk to censor others ? … Hmmm…. Hypocrisy alert.
His ‘politics’ along with the English FA has ruined MOTD for many fans … promoting BLM ‘taking the knee’ … yet on one programme sneering at fans who flew a banner that read “white lives also matter” - at a time white Republicans were being racially abused and murdered all over America by an organisation linked to terrorist/anarchist groups that resorted to months of rioting - attacking the Trump Administration and the Western Democratic framework … not to mention law enforcement both sides of The Pond.
Sports fans are sick of politics ruining Sport … and Globalists ruining sport and our World.
Politico Lewis Hamilton ruined F1 for many.
Attacks by the World Tennis Association on the rights of World Champion Novak Djokovic not to vaccinate … seriously ruined the reputation of that sport supporting the Rights of the Individual. Safe testing was in place to ensure players were not infectious … and vaccination didn’t stop transmission or deliver immunity.
Time the BBC freed Lineker to pursue his career on Twitter. Time for SPORT to flush out these 💩💩’ty POLITICOS. … before there are many more loyal true FANS walking away from arenas and cancelling their TV subscriptions in DISGUST!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 11:25:47 GMT
The problem with you Moaners in here - is that you just dont like famous or well known people who champion the cause of equality, fairness or justice for ALL.
Your all tinged to one degree or another with Bigotry
We live in a country where, in my lifetime, racism was rampant in society, and where black people were routinely excluded not only from decent jobs and housing, but also from bars, cafes, restaurants and businesses. The police had to be threataned and warned to clean up their act over and over, yet bigotry and racism still exists within our police forces.
If black people had been treated differently from when they were invited here, if they had been treated as equals, then things would have been different today.
Black Lives Matter is relevant, not least because of history, including recent history, and because of how people who are different were treated.
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