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Post by andrewbrown on Mar 14, 2023 8:14:11 GMT
Being able to enter another country to claim asylum is not an oversight. Surely Noone can be that stupid? 🤔
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Post by sheepy on Mar 14, 2023 8:15:44 GMT
Being able to enter another country to claim asylum is not an oversight. Surely Noone can be that stupid? 🤔 Well they must be Andrew because they enter several others first. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 14, 2023 8:21:04 GMT
Well the Asylum and Immigration Bill sailed through Parlaiment last night with as expected Labour voting against any measures to stop the boats.
Expect more comment soon from Mr Lineker at this disaster..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 8:23:14 GMT
Being able to enter another country to claim asylum is not an oversight. Surely Noone can be that stupid? 🤔 If you read my post correctly then you may have been able to contruct an honest response. I was referring to the issue that is being abused and encouraging people trafficking, and illegal entry into this country via dangerous trips across the channel. I know that's xenophobic and Nazi to some on here, but at the end of the day it's common sense. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 14, 2023 8:24:42 GMT
Well the Asylum and Immigration Bill sailed through Parlaiment last night with as expected Labour voting against any measures to stop the boats. Expect more comment soon from Mr Lineker at this disaster.. Well if there is one thing to come out of this total mess, it revealed a couple more closet lefties...LOL |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 8:29:22 GMT
Well the Asylum and Immigration Bill sailed through Parlaiment last night with as expected Labour voting against any measures to stop the boats. Expect more comment soon from Mr Lineker at this disaster.. Labour encouraging illegal activities is no surprise, especially now they have the BBC wrongly and dishonestly accusing their opposition of Nazism. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 8:35:30 GMT
Except that the position is appointed by politicians in the first place... 😂 ...and he can only be removed by the government. The BBC has no power to sack him. Still, we'll have a new government soon and they will no doubt take advantage of the precedent set by Johnson and appoint their own stooge. That's the thing, under Labour the BBC was ruled over by one of them and was for so long that the BBC is now beyond repair. Obviously, the Tory you lot like to bang on about is powerless against the BBC Marxists, which is why the BBC was forced to cave in.
Scrap the BBC tax.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 14, 2023 8:59:22 GMT
Andrew
Nonsense you are ignoring the concerns of many people whose lives are being impacted on by the number of " alleged " Asylum Seekers entering the UK unlawfully breaking our Laws to get here, all of which is costing the UK Taxpayers huge amounts of money every day.
Not all of these people are genuine Asylum Seekers some are economic migrants, some are criminals, some may well be part of Terrorist Groups, the problem is we don't know who they really are, nor do we have the accommodation to house them all, the sheer numbers arriving unlawfully is having a negative impact on communities across the UK, we are struggling enough as it is after Covid.
I don't know what you mean by the language used by the Government who are trying to deal with this serious problem, the general public is telling the Government how they feel about the serious problems and concerns about their own welfare and well being they are causing them personally by people they know nothing about, and probably in many cases do not trust, over the years we have absorbed genuine Asylum Seekers , but we can only absorb so many
As for Nazi and Xenophobia words used far too often to censor silence anyone who dares to disagree with their personal opinion, unscrupulous people that do that only cause resentment and anger in others they dismiss out of hand, that is no way to deal with peoples concerns it just makes it worse.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 14, 2023 8:59:43 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 9:08:41 GMT
Andrew Nonsense you are ignoring the concerns of many people whose lives are being impacted on by the number of " alleged " Asylum Seekers entering the UK unlawfully breaking our Laws to get here, all of which is costing the UK Taxpayers huge amounts of money every day. Not all of these people are genuine Asylum Seekers some are economic migrants, some are criminals, some may well be part of Terrorist Groups, the problem is we don't know who they really are, nor do we have the accommodation to house them all, the sheer numbers arriving unlawfully is having a negative impact on communities across the UK, we are struggling enough as it is after Covid. I don't know what you mean by the language used by the Government who are trying to deal with this serious problem, the general public is telling the Government how they feel about the serious problems and concerns about their own welfare and well being they are causing them personally by people they know nothing about, and probably in many cases do not trust, over the years we have absorbed genuine Asylum Seekers , but we can only absorb so many As for Nazi and Xenophobia words used far too often to censor silence anyone who dares to disagree with their personal opinion, unscrupulous people that do that only cause resentment and anger in others they dismiss out of hand, that is no way to deal with peoples concerns it just makes it worse. They want it to continue, which is why they're actively trying to prevent common sense measures that can at least address the invasion. Genuine asylum seekers direct from unsafe countries will, at least in theory, be put to the front of the queue if these rules ever get through. The Left just want the chaos and for the good people in this country to be smeared as Nazis and racists. It's what happened the last time they took office. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 14, 2023 9:31:39 GMT
Being able to enter another country to claim asylum is not an oversight. Surely Noone can be that stupid? 🤔 The idea is not to stop people being able to seek safety and their means of arrival should not be held against them as that would have been a necessary action in order for them to reach safety. It was never intended as an asylum shopping trip by any of the signatories. That however is what it has become and no one seems willing to address the idea that practicalities mean that the influx must be limited otherwise the simple arithmetic of the situation is unsustainable. Perhaps we can keep them in special camps pending a right of return, that seems to be an acceptable method adopted by some countries. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 14, 2023 10:54:58 GMT
Yup you cannot have people speaking out against government illegal policies.😔 If it was illegal then it is not a policy that can be applied. No harm in anyone speaking out against anything they disagree with the main problem is that those who speak out against any given orthodoxy tend to be quietly cancelled and those who support the orthodoxy see the work flowing in. It is a bit like Bellamy and Attenborough, only one supported the global warming narrative and only one progressed to make many more programmes. Strange it was the unqualified one who progressed. What should happen is we are all allowed to speak our mind, within the confines of law obscure as they are, outside the workplace.so....I don't think anybody is saying you "can't speak your mind" the problem is the forum one uses....in particular this twitface open sewer that is social media. Social media entraps certain types of people into engaging with issues they are not equipped mentally to deal with. In this instance Lineker was (in my view) simply performing. Lineker was not engaging with genuine truth or engaging with genuine politics. Social media entraps people onto a merry-go-round where concepts don't have genuine depth because certain people don't understand the terms they are using or (and even worse) they do and are deliberately misusing them. I don't disagree with rational argument in good faith within a forum whereby argument can be challenged, however, I think in this instance Lineker was merely performing a role and trying and failing to appreciate the complexity of what he was engaging in. I suppose this is the issue I have with social media (specially in light of it being used as a tool of war in the influence and dis-information spectrum) are people engaging in and trying to express in a very truncated fashion very complicated views about very complicated issues whilst not realising that social media is not a good medium for that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 11:46:56 GMT
If it was illegal then it is not a policy that can be applied. No harm in anyone speaking out against anything they disagree with the main problem is that those who speak out against any given orthodoxy tend to be quietly cancelled and those who support the orthodoxy see the work flowing in. It is a bit like Bellamy and Attenborough, only one supported the global warming narrative and only one progressed to make many more programmes. Strange it was the unqualified one who progressed. What should happen is we are all allowed to speak our mind, within the confines of law obscure as they are, outside the workplace.so....I don't think anybody is saying you "can't speak your mind" the problem is the forum one uses....in particular this twitface open sewer that is social media. Social media entraps certain types of people into engaging with issues they are not equipped mentally to deal with. In this instance Lineker was (in my view) simply performing. Lineker was not engaging with genuine truth or engaging with genuine politics. Social media entraps people onto a merry-go-round where concepts don't have genuine depth because certain people don't understand the terms they are using or (and even worse) they do and are deliberately misusing them. I don't disagree with rational argument in good faith within a forum whereby argument can be challenged, however, I think in this instance Lineker was merely performing a role and trying and failing to appreciate the complexity of what he was engaging in. I suppose this is the issue I have with social media (specially in light of it being used as a tool of war in the influence and dis-information spectrum) are people engaging in and trying to express in a very truncated fashion very complicated views about very complicated issues whilst not realising that social media is not a good medium for that. One big problem with twitter in particular is the character limit which severely limits the ability of anyone of knowledge to be able to put out a well argued opinion. Everything is reduced to virtual soundbites. It is extremely difficult to debate sensibly there under these constraints. Another problem with it is that you tend to be followed by countless multitudes who agree with you, whilst many of those who disagree with you simply block you. This effectively turns twatter into the ultimate echo chamber where most people you engage with agree with you and back you up, whilst the ones that don't have mostly blocked you so you cannot engage with them. I do have a twitter account but hardly ever use it anymore for these reasons. Incidentally, I have been blocked there by people as diverse as Johnny Mercer my local Tory MP, Jonny Morris a former local Labour councillor, and George Galloway. So even politicians from across the political spectrum seem unable to handle anyone disagreeing with them there. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 14, 2023 11:53:41 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Mar 14, 2023 11:59:20 GMT
so....I don't think anybody is saying you "can't speak your mind" the problem is the forum one uses....in particular this twitface open sewer that is social media. Social media entraps certain types of people into engaging with issues they are not equipped mentally to deal with. In this instance Lineker was (in my view) simply performing. Lineker was not engaging with genuine truth or engaging with genuine politics. Social media entraps people onto a merry-go-round where concepts don't have genuine depth because certain people don't understand the terms they are using or (and even worse) they do and are deliberately misusing them. I don't disagree with rational argument in good faith within a forum whereby argument can be challenged, however, I think in this instance Lineker was merely performing a role and trying and failing to appreciate the complexity of what he was engaging in. I suppose this is the issue I have with social media (specially in light of it being used as a tool of war in the influence and dis-information spectrum) are people engaging in and trying to express in a very truncated fashion very complicated views about very complicated issues whilst not realising that social media is not a good medium for that. One big problem with twitter in particular is the character limit which severely limits the ability of anyone of knowledge to be able to put out a well argued opinion. Everything is reduced to virtual soundbites. It is extremely difficult to debate sensibly there under these constraints. Another problem with it is that you tend to be followed by countless multitudes who agree with you, whilst many of those who disagree with you simply block you. This effectively turns twatter into the ultimate echo chamber where most people you engage with agree with you and back you up, whilst the ones that don't have mostly blocked you so you cannot engage with them. I do have a twitter account but hardly ever use it anymore for these reasons. Incidentally, I have been blocked there by people as diverse as Johnny Mercer my local Tory MP, Jonny Morris a former local Labour councillor, and George Galloway. So even politicians from across the political spectrum seem unable to handle anyone disagreeing with them there. All this out-pouring of concern for these criminals who are invading our shores and evading our laws by the usual lefty idiots would have some human merit if the fact that their sympathy were genuine and NOT FAUX. |
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