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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 12:58:15 GMT
There are no specific words for you to find even if you could be bothered to look because I have never claimed to be anything other than opposed to independence, and the content of most of my posts make it clear that I am a No voter too. I take that position solely based upon self-interest (and in what I believe is in the interest of my fellow Scots) and my whole position is based purely upon financial / economic considerations, free from any ideological leanings (eg. unionism) of which I hold none. So I am not impartial on independence, but I am impartial on the unionism /nationalism issue, simply because I don’t care about either. Why do you struggle to grasp that? You surely appreciate that people make decisions on all sorts of issues based upon how things are likely to impact upon them financially, so why shouldn’t that be the case when they make their decision on Scottish independence? Do you feel that you have to attribute certain values on everyone who votes No, whether they have these values or not? The only value I have here is to “follow the money” and it is because that is my only value that I am a persuadable voter. All it would take for me to jump sides is for the economic case for leaving the UK to be stronger than the economic case for staying in the UK. I think that you have a cheek, frankly, to accuse me of resisting your attempts to establish my position when I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to explain that to you through various answers. Plus, we can’t converse unless and until you are willing to allow me to establish your position too - which you have avoided doing despite me asking you to tell me a bit about it. Exactly the same behaviour as you displayed on the old site and just further confirmation that you are that self-same person. The problem seems to be that you think I know a great deal about you, when I don't. I don't know anyone here. I am not here to convince you of anything. Believe what you like about me if it intrigues you to imagine me as some sort of Ml5 operative. It makes no difference to me. Trying to have conversations with you has been like wading through a treacle maze with wrong turns and dead ends obstructing progress. I'm crossing you off my Christmas card list. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2023 13:24:38 GMT
BTW, Thomas, you haven’t forgotten that you have still to reply to me on a couple of other threads where you have accused me of saying something directly the opposite of what I actually said, with proof that I did what you claimed, have you?. This really is starting to look like a nasty habit on your part.
Anyway, here’s something that you sanctimoniously posted in one of those threads that you would do well to reflect upon ie.
“im happy to debate anyone on any forum. we all get things wrong , and most of us have the humility and honesty when we do to admit. I also find common ground with the majority on many subjects.
.....but when some people deny fact , and have egos so large they cant admit wrong ,or be humble enough to concede when they are wrong , we are basically beyond the realms of civilised debate”
I know that you were aiming that at me back then, but, If you are capable of being honest with yourself, you will recognise that you fall far short of displaying the behaviour you describe in the first paragraph, and indeed, that you very much display the characteristics of the people you describe in your second paragraph.
It’s time to look yourself in the mirror and wise up, Thomas.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2023 13:48:58 GMT
There are no specific words for you to find even if you could be bothered to look because I have never claimed to be anything other than opposed to independence, and the content of most of my posts make it clear that I am a No voter too. I take that position solely based upon self-interest (and in what I believe is in the interest of my fellow Scots) and my whole position is based purely upon financial / economic considerations, free from any ideological leanings (eg. unionism) of which I hold none. So I am not impartial on independence, but I am impartial on the unionism /nationalism issue, simply because I don’t care about either. Why do you struggle to grasp that? You surely appreciate that people make decisions on all sorts of issues based upon how things are likely to impact upon them financially, so why shouldn’t that be the case when they make their decision on Scottish independence? Do you feel that you have to attribute certain values on everyone who votes No, whether they have these values or not? The only value I have here is to “follow the money” and it is because that is my only value that I am a persuadable voter. All it would take for me to jump sides is for the economic case for leaving the UK to be stronger than the economic case for staying in the UK. I think that you have a cheek, frankly, to accuse me of resisting your attempts to establish my position when I have spent a considerable amount of time trying to explain that to you through various answers. Plus, we can’t converse unless and until you are willing to allow me to establish your position too - which you have avoided doing despite me asking you to tell me a bit about it. Exactly the same behaviour as you displayed on the old site and just further confirmation that you are that self-same person. The problem seems to be that you think I know a great deal about you, when I don't. I don't know anyone here. I am not here to convince you of anything. Believe what you like about me if it intrigues you to imagine me as some sort of Ml5 operative. It makes no difference to me. Trying to have conversations with you has been like wading through a treacle maze with wrong turns and dead ends obstructing progress. I'm crossing you off my Christmas card list. Well, from the exchanges we have had on this forum, you certainly know a great deal more about me than I know about you, because I am the one who has been answering your questions whilst you have failed to return the courtesy of even attempting to answer the single question that I put to you about your beliefs. And you really haven’t tried to have conversations with me but simply prodded and probed without giving anything back in return. I have tried to answer most of your questions in some detail, anticipating that you might reciprocate, but that simply didn’t happen. You might not have liked my answers, or they may not have been as you expected, but from what I have seen from your comments on here, you have flawed preconceptions about NO voters and their beliefs that you struggle to shake off. That might be where your feelings of wading through a treacle maze come from. You certainly show zero signs of grasping the alternative universe views and opinions of Thomas, for example, despite there being a tenuous relationship between much of what he says and reality. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2023 14:32:25 GMT
BTW, Ripley - you initiated discussion with me on this thread when you responded to a comment I made about opposing the SNP and Scottish Independence doesn’t make someone a unionist. I then went on throughout the thread to explain why I opposed independence but was not a unionist. Did I really have to expressly say that I am not impartial on this matter for you to understand that I am not impartial?
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 14:37:03 GMT
BTW, Ripley - you initiated discussion with me on this thread when you responded to a comment I made about opposing the SNP and Scottish Independence. I am not sure what more I could have said at that stage or thereafter to make it more plain that I was not impartial on Scottish Independence. Why are you still pursuing conversation with me? |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2023 14:48:25 GMT
Why are you still pursuing conversation with me? I am not. However, you could probably benefit from some quiet reflection on how and why you feel that our exchanges on this thread were not satisfactory and your part in that, particularly if you want to avoid similarly frustrating exchanges with others in the future. I thought that this would help. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 17, 2023 17:57:43 GMT
BTW, Ripley - you initiated discussion with me on this thread when you responded to a comment I made about opposing the SNP and Scottish Independence. I am not sure what more I could have said at that stage or thereafter to make it more plain that I was not impartial on Scottish Independence. Why are you still pursuing conversation with me? It's a discussion forum? |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 18:04:21 GMT
Why are you still pursuing conversation with me? It's a discussion forum? Context, context. When I asked why he is still pursuing conversation with me after I already told him I'm taking him off my Christmas card list, he said he isn't pursuing conversation. He is just lecturing now, and that merits no response. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 17, 2023 19:55:15 GMT
No response was required - just for some self-awareness on your part.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 17, 2023 20:47:04 GMT
No response was required - just for some self-awareness on your part. If you had a modicum of self-awareness, you might see how sanctimonious you sound. You are in no position to 'require' anything of me. Now stop prattling on at me for the sake of hearing your own voice. |
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Post by morayloon on Mar 18, 2023 3:33:39 GMT
BTW, Ripley - you initiated discussion with me on this thread when you responded to a comment I made about opposing the SNP and Scottish Independence doesn’t make someone a unionist. I then went on throughout the thread to explain why I opposed independence but was not a unionist. Did I really have to expressly say that I am not impartial on this matter for you to understand that I am not impartial? Sorry but, despite your desperate attempts to disagree, if you are not pro-Independence you are a Unionist. I couldn't be bothered reading the thread from the start but, knowing you from the old forum, you are a unionist. |
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Post by morayloon on Mar 18, 2023 3:38:31 GMT
Context, context. When I asked why he is still pursuing conversation with me after I already told him I'm taking him off my Christmas card list, he said he isn't pursuing conversation. He is just lecturing now, and that merits no response. That's how he operates. He thinks he knows everything. Thinks he can get away with claiming he is impartial when everyone on the old forum knew exactly what he was. He is not worth holding a discussion with, on any topic. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 18, 2023 7:34:56 GMT
BTW, Ripley - you initiated discussion with me on this thread when you responded to a comment I made about opposing the SNP and Scottish Independence doesn’t make someone a unionist. I then went on throughout the thread to explain why I opposed independence but was not a unionist. Did I really have to expressly say that I am not impartial on this matter for you to understand that I am not impartial? Sorry but, despite your desperate attempts to disagree, if you are not pro-Independence you are a Unionist. I couldn't be bothered reading the thread from the start but, knowing you from the old forum, you are a unionist. I'm not sure about that. I couldn't care less if Scotland stays or goes - indy or unionist is all the same to me. |
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