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Post by sandypine on Mar 12, 2023 18:39:48 GMT
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Never in modern British history has there been the numbers of asylum seekers backlogged as there are now, not ever under any Labour government. We have never been faced with the current unprecidented problem of asylum seekers coming here in large numbers in boats. The problem is the painstaking slow process in dealing with asylum seekers, its the governments fault, why is it taking so long, and why are not Ukrainians and Syrians not dealt with differently to Albanians. Sunaks plan is shite - it would mean that for some people who are genuinely fleeing for their lives, they would not have any means of applying for asylum ..... not good enough. Yes, genuine refugees can claim in the EU |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 19:19:43 GMT
sandypine ... "Yes, genuine refugees can claim in the EU"
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So as a Xenophobe you actually admit that you believe no asylum seekers should seek refuge in the UK
Its a stance that most Populist Tories and Reform UK voters (xenophobes) take, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that, an asylum seeker can ask for refuge in whichever nation they so choose.
My own opinion is that all richer nations ( Europe, North America, Australasia, Japan etc ) should take a fair and equal share during times of crisis and war.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 19:25:54 GMT
sandypine ... "Yes, genuine refugees can claim in the EU" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So as a Xenophobe you actually admit that you believe no asylum seekers should seek refuge in the UK Its a stance that most Populist Tories and Reform UK voters (xenophobes) take, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that, an asylum seeker can ask for refuge in whichever nation they so choose. My own opinion is that all richer nations ( Europe, North America, Australasia, Japan etc ) should take a fair and equal share during times of crisis and war. My opinion is that migrants from Africa and the Middle East should form a giant well run army and depose the regimes they claim are forcing them to leave. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 12, 2023 19:34:24 GMT
sandypine ... "Yes, genuine refugees can claim in the EU" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So as a Xenophobe you actually admit that you believe no asylum seekers should seek refuge in the UK Its a stance that most Populist Tories and Reform UK voters (xenophobes) take, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that, an asylum seeker can ask for refuge in whichever nation they so choose. My own opinion is that all richer nations ( Europe, North America, Australasia, Japan etc ) should take a fair and equal share during times of crisis and war. You said they had no means to claim asylum which was not true. A claim of asylum successfully reached in France or Germany can be linked to a request to come to the UK, what is wrong with that? No you do not mean all richer nations you mean Western Nations as many Arab states are very rich. The world did not take a fair and equal share of Ugandan and Kenyan Asians, most Muslim lands did not take a fair and equal share of Russian and then WW2 Jews, If I recall Ireland took about half a dozen. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 19:57:52 GMT
sandypine ... "Yes, genuine refugees can claim in the EU" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- So as a Xenophobe you actually admit that you believe no asylum seekers should seek refuge in the UK Its a stance that most Populist Tories and Reform UK voters (xenophobes) take, but unfortunately it doesn't work like that, an asylum seeker can ask for refuge in whichever nation they so choose. My own opinion is that all richer nations ( Europe, North America, Australasia, Japan etc ) should take a fair and equal share during times of crisis and war. There's always a war and there's always a crisis, even if it is manufactured, so your "during times" becomes "all the time". |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 22:38:59 GMT
My own opinion is that all richer nations ( Europe, North America, Australasia, Japan etc ) should take a fair and equal share during times of crisis and war. OK Sid - lets lay it on the line. You have been banging on about this all day so lets put some meat on the bones. Since the start of 2021 the UK has given refuge to 437,000 people - more refugees have come to the UK since Brexit than at any time since the Second World War. So how many more are you suggesting we should take? - would you have taken a million? - 2 million perhaps? - how many? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 12, 2023 23:17:19 GMT
So why doesnt this government fix the laws They have been the overseer's and in charge for 13 years, and its THEIR policies and THEIR system which is not working, and has failed. Albania is not a country at war, it has no brutal regime, its a nation with universal free health care, free education, free and fair elections. Theres no oppression, no famine, no natural disaster and no civil unrest. There should be a "Fast Track" process for Albanians, and for anyone coming from a stable, democratic country. At the same time, due consideration must always apply to anyone seeking refuge from Ukraine, Syria or a war torn country. You might be surprised to hear i agree, although i might point out the original UNHCR treaties intended to keep the displaced in safe countries adjacent to the conflict so they can be sent back home when the conflict ends Having worked in france and belgium and italy i can personally attest to their being more than happy to welcome people who wish to explore what it means to be french, belgian or italian … And as a certain case showed, with france having an empire in regions similar to ours, colour is no barrier. When a man fresh in to Paris from Mali was standing in the right place at the right time to save a kid thrown from an upstairs floor of a burning building, citizenship was handed to him for his act (and rightly so if you adk me) I went to france to help France Telecom sort a problem. I went able to speak the language a bit, and made it clear i wanted help to speak it more fluently. I enjoyed the country and culture and i came back slightly more french than when i arrived (my mediaeval ancestors were, after all l, Norman French and my surname means ‘playful’ in Norman French so i admit i had a bit of a start here …) But it was my intent to explore these things while there. The Belgians - well they had a wierd sense of humour - the flemish belgians have a bit of rivalry with the french belgians, and the idea of an englishman (ok i left them thinking that i was one, too bloody awkward to correct them) ‘pretending’ to the french he wanted to explore what it meant to be french cracked them up. But my time there left me with the distinct feeling france is more than happy to integrate people who want to be integrated. Which leaves the question of who exactly is jumping into rubber boats, and why |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 0:04:15 GMT
Pacifico ... "OK Sid - lets lay it on the line. You have been banging on about this all day so lets put some meat on the bones.
Since the start of 2021 the UK has given refuge to 437,000 people - more refugees have come to the UK since Brexit than at any time since the Second World War.
So how many more are you suggesting we should take? - would you have taken a million? - 2 million perhaps? - how many?"
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A large percentage of those people are Ukrainian refugees, and many, most, will want to go back, indeed some have already gone back home.
More people have come to the UK seeking refuge because of the war in Ukraine - and it is the right thing for this country to do.
We need a sensible and compassionate asylum / refugee policy based upon genuine need, not on economic migrants and people from Albania.
The present government have failed in every aspect of asylum and migration
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 13, 2023 7:01:45 GMT
From what I have read the problem with deporting Albanians is that they use Theresa May's Modern Slavery law to claim they've been "trafficked". Apparently the term traffic is defined so vaguely that almost everyone can claim they've been trafficked. So we need to amend/repeal May's daft law but May threw a wobbly and Sunack backed down - apparently May has a lot of support for some unknown reason.
If we can't even change our own daft laws what hope is there?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2023 7:46:48 GMT
A large percentage of those people are Ukrainian refugees, and many, most, will want to go back, indeed some have already gone back home. More people have come to the UK seeking refuge because of the war in Ukraine - and it is the right thing for this country to do. We need a sensible and compassionate asylum / refugee policy based upon genuine need, not on economic migrants and people from Albania. The present government have failed in every aspect of asylum and migration So how many more would you take? - if taking in just shy of 500,000 refugees is a failure what is needed for it to be a success? Tel me some numbers. You also talk about migration - well we currently taking in a record 500,000 legal migrants a year, if that is not enough to satisfy you what is? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 10:30:49 GMT
Taking in those fleeing war is not to be mesured by "success" and its not a game where you have targets
The main problem that we have here is that if the governments new laws are passed, it would mean that many people who have escaped danger, war or persecution would have no means to apply for asylum in this country.
Those without a passport, those who cannot get a passport, those who have a passport but are refused a Visa, those who dare not apply in their own country for a passport.
Economic migrants should be filtered out and returned - so why is that not been done ?
If the system had been working properly, then there would not be the numbers we currently have awaiting decisions.
For F Sake ... how long does it take to work out that an Albanian from Albania has no legitimate right to claim asylum. ?
We should not take in an unequal or unfair or unreasonable number of refugees / asylum seekers, but we should take our fair share, together with other nations.
MOST refugees will return home, but most asylum seekers will attempt to make a new life here
Some parts of the United Kingdom ( Scotland for example ) are suffering from depopulation, we seem to have a general labour shortage and skills shortages. Many Syrians for example are professional people, some are doctors, scientists, engineers.
Yesterday I was in my local Lidl, and there was an Afghan man at the checkout, most local people have got to know him, he s always pleasant and cheerful, he came to this country as a refugee, he now works as a security man, a watchman, he s working, earning money, making a contribution.
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Post by Orac on Mar 13, 2023 10:37:35 GMT
The main problem that we have here is that if the governments new laws are passed, it would mean that many people who have escaped danger, war or persecution would have no means to apply for asylum in this country. The purpose of the refugee system is to allow people to flee from danger, not to get them into the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2023 10:38:48 GMT
Taking in those fleeing war is not to be mesured by "success" and its not a game where you have targets The main problem that we have here is that if the governments new laws are passed, it would mean that many people who have escaped danger, war or persecution would have no means to apply for asylum in this country. Those without a passport, those who cannot get a passport, those who have a passport but are refused a Visa, those who dare not apply in their own country for a passport. Economic migrants should be filtered out and returned - so why is that not been done If the system had been working properly, then there would not be the numbers we currently have awaiting decisions. For F Sake ... how long does it take to work out that an Albanian from Albania has no legitimate right to claim asylum. We should not take in an unequal or unfair or unreasonable number of refugees / asylum seekers, but we should take our fair share, together with other nations. MOST refugees will return home, but most asylum seekers will attempt to make a new life here Some parts of the United Kingdom ( Scotland for example ) are suffering from depopulation, we seem to have a general labour shortage and skills shortages. Many Syrians for example are professional people, some are doctors, scientists, engineers. Yesterday I was in my local Lidl, and there was an Afghan man at the checkout, most local people have got to know him, he s always pleasant and cheerful, he came to this country as a refugee, he now works as a security man, a watchman, he s working, earning money, making a contribution. “MOST refugees will return home” any evidence for that? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 13, 2023 10:55:04 GMT
Taking in those fleeing war is not to be mesured by "success" and its not a game where you have targets The main problem that we have here is that if the governments new laws are passed, it would mean that many people who have escaped danger, war or persecution would have no means to apply for asylum in this country. Those without a passport, those who cannot get a passport, those who have a passport but are refused a Visa, those who dare not apply in their own country for a passport. Economic migrants should be filtered out and returned - so why is that not been done If the system had been working properly, then there would not be the numbers we currently have awaiting decisions. For F Sake ... how long does it take to work out that an Albanian from Albania has no legitimate right to claim asylum. We should not take in an unequal or unfair or unreasonable number of refugees / asylum seekers, but we should take our fair share, together with other nations. MOST refugees will return home, but most asylum seekers will attempt to make a new life here Some parts of the United Kingdom ( Scotland for example ) are suffering from depopulation, we seem to have a general labour shortage and skills shortages. Many Syrians for example are professional people, some are doctors, scientists, engineers. Yesterday I was in my local Lidl, and there was an Afghan man at the checkout, most local people have got to know him, he s always pleasant and cheerful, he came to this country as a refugee, he now works as a security man, a watchman, he s working, earning money, making a contribution. You ask how long it takes to work out an albanian is not in need if political asylum Well, why doesn’t someone ask Starmer that. He’s one of the lawyers that enjoy causing the problem after all |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 13, 2023 11:15:29 GMT
Taking in those fleeing war is not to be mesured by "success" and its not a game where you have targets The main problem that we have here is that if the governments new laws are passed, it would mean that many people who have escaped danger, war or persecution would have no means to apply for asylum in this country. Those without a passport, those who cannot get a passport, those who have a passport but are refused a Visa, those who dare not apply in their own country for a passport. Economic migrants should be filtered out and returned - so why is that not been done If the system had been working properly, then there would not be the numbers we currently have awaiting decisions. For F Sake ... how long does it take to work out that an Albanian from Albania has no legitimate right to claim asylum. We should not take in an unequal or unfair or unreasonable number of refugees / asylum seekers, but we should take our fair share, together with other nations. MOST refugees will return home, but most asylum seekers will attempt to make a new life here Some parts of the United Kingdom ( Scotland for example ) are suffering from depopulation, we seem to have a general labour shortage and skills shortages. Many Syrians for example are professional people, some are doctors, scientists, engineers. Yesterday I was in my local Lidl, and there was an Afghan man at the checkout, most local people have got to know him, he s always pleasant and cheerful, he came to this country as a refugee, he now works as a security man, a watchman, he s working, earning money, making a contribution. You ask how long it takes to work out an albanian is not in need if political asylum Well, why doesn’t someone ask Starmer that. He’s one of the lawyers that enjoy causing the problem after all you wont hear anything from Starmer, he's out of touch just like jug ears, they believe the UK tax payers are pleased to have the France-UK shuttle service for illegal migrant crossings.
If Starmer and jug ears were in-touch with real people and actually bothered to speak to people on the streets they would be dumbfounded at the response they would get, but most of the leftie elite live in gilded cages and have no idea how ordinary hard working tax paying UK citizens views.
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