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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2022 8:04:10 GMT
Maybe in the leg instead, so he isn't killed?
Lee Rigby was certainly different. They were terrorists and they simply killed him.
But I don't like to see police blamed every time they do their job. It's very difficult for them, especially when the powers that be and the media are not on their side if things go wrong. Society has become so violent that anyone who becomes a police officer deserves respect for going into what has become an onslaught against the public by criminals and psychotically deranged individuals.
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Post by Orac on Oct 9, 2022 9:20:59 GMT
Tasers have no effect on some people, their effectiveness is at best limited. You have to be very close to the target and you have just one shot, if you miss you're stuffed. No, I'm afraid if someone is intent on attacking a police officer with a bladed weapon he should be shot. I agree There is an unwritten contract between a police force and the rest of society and it seems some would like this contract to place the police in a position of maximum possible risk and liability ie that they take massive amounts of risk and have no protection if they make a mistake. This is unworkable because nobody will elect to do a job in which they are expected to take on large amounts of personal risk in your name if you retain the option to destroy them if they put the smallest step wrong. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2022 15:17:59 GMT
Tasers have no effect on some people, their effectiveness is at best limited. You have to be very close to the target and you have just one shot, if you miss you're stuffed. No, I'm afraid if someone is intent on attacking a police officer with a bladed weapon he should be shot. I agree in order to use non-lethal force CS Spray or Pepper Spray the Police Officer has to get as close as possible which means between six or ten feet away from the suspect, some people especially if high on drugs or mentally ill are not stopped by either very little if any effect on them and the officer is in the danger zone far to close/ To use a Taser, you need to close as well between 15 and 10 feet to hit the target, which is the chest or back, they do not always drop the suspect or incapacitate the suspect especially if they are high on drugs or mentally ill or if wearing thick clothing the barbs may not penetrate the body, again the Officer is in the danger zone far too close. If you have an armed suspect, that is not complaint refusing to do as they are told and drop the weapon whatever it is be it a large knife, axe sword then the armed officer has to make that spilt second decision to protect themselves and others, and justify it Considering the thousands of calls armed officers have to attend due to a suspect or suspects carrying some sort of weapon every year, year in year out UK Armed Police Officers do not open fire very often they only do so when there is no other option. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2022 15:36:13 GMT
Do we know how many officers attended?
If it was only one or two firearms officers I would agree with you but if there were several police officers there the safe options would be more than shoot to kill surely?
I ask because the incident was in a police station car park.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 10, 2022 16:53:51 GMT
Sometimes the tasers aren’t enough and sometimes bullets aren’t enough. If the knife man manages to stab you , that’s when you find out.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2022 17:51:55 GMT
Do we know how many officers attended? If it was only one or two firearms officers I would agree with you but if there were several police officers there the safe options would be more than shoot to kill surely? I ask because the incident was in a police station car park. There is very limited information in the media, the man has now been named as Marius Ciolac armed with a knife, he had somehow got into the secure Police Carp Park next to the Police Station the first Police arrived at 9.55am he was shot 8 minutes later, how he was behaving during those 8 minuets; we do not know, the Police will say very little at this point as a full investigation has to be conducted |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2022 18:08:04 GMT
Yes, it is possible, but you saw how many Officers it took to keep him contained until even more Officers arrived with shields, as for Tasers as far as I am aware not all Officers are issued with them some do not want to carry them |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2022 19:02:56 GMT
There is very limited information in the media, the man has now been named as Marius Ciolac armed with a knife, he had somehow got into the secure Police Carp Park Obviously, something fishy was going on. |
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Post by baff on Oct 10, 2022 19:16:56 GMT
Do we know how many officers attended? If it was only one or two firearms officers I would agree with you but if there were several police officers there the safe options would be more than shoot to kill surely? I ask because the incident was in a police station car park. Shoot to kill or shoot to stop? Killing is a by product of the exercise not it's goal. This policeman has to live with that action his entire life. He's going to be feeling a lot of guilt. If he is not mentally strong he'll kill himself. Don't second guess these people. If you think you can do a better job, sign up. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2022 19:29:25 GMT
There is very limited information in the media, the man has now been named as Marius Ciolac armed with a knife, he had somehow got into the secure Police Carp Park Obviously, something fishy was going on. Oops   |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 10, 2022 19:34:04 GMT
Do we know how many officers attended? If it was only one or two firearms officers I would agree with you but if there were several police officers there the safe options would be more than shoot to kill surely? I ask because the incident was in a police station car park. Shoot to kill or shoot to stop? Killing is a by product of the exercise not it's goal. This policeman has to live with that action his entire life. He's going to be feeling a lot of guilt. If he is not mentally strong he'll kill himself. Don't second guess these people. If you think you can do a better job, sign up. They are taught trained to aim for the chest as that is where the vital organs are, normal practice is to fire two rounds to put them down and stay down, shooting to wound at a leg or arm only happens in Hollywood |
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 10, 2022 19:36:00 GMT
There is very limited information in the media, the man has now been named as Marius Ciolac armed with a knife, he had somehow got into the secure Police Carp Park Obviously, something fishy was going on. Damn it, I missed that one. kudos |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 10, 2022 21:04:42 GMT
Attacking a Police Station is a very dopey thing to do at the best of times.
The Police have a hard job and it's a thankless task.
We don't know the full circumstances, but a Policeman had to make a rapid decision.
A biker jacket would probably stop a taser.
If the attacker had one of those a decision to shoot to kill might have been the only option.
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Post by Steve on Oct 10, 2022 21:07:18 GMT
Sadly that is very likely the truth of the matter. The architect of this guy's misfortune was himself.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 11, 2022 0:19:10 GMT
Sadly that is very likely the truth of the matter. The architect of this guy's misfortune was himself. I think we all agree with that. Happily it's still a rare occurrence for the British police to shoot someone. |
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