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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 10:04:30 GMT
Here is a picture of Ken Dodd with one of his heroes "Margaret Thatcher", there are lots of images to be found with Ken and Margaret. There are also images and stories of many other celebrities appearing with, and supporting Margaret Thatcher and other political leaders. There are pictures of Bruce Forsyth with Margaret Thatcher, also Paul Danniels. There are pictures of more up to date celebrities with Boris Johnson and ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE, OR ARE IN THE EMPLOY OF THE BBC. Where does this end, where does it begin Does an employee of the BBC have the right to a private life, and to hold personal opinions
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 10:14:33 GMT
View Attachment Here is a picture of Ken Dodd with one of his heroes "Margaret Thatcher", there are lots of images to be found with Ken and Margaret. There are also images and stories of many other celebrities appearing with, and supporting Margaret Thatcher and other political leaders. There are pictures of Bruce Forsyth with Margaret Thatcher, also Paul Danniels. There are pictures of more up to date celebrities with Boris Johnson and ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE, OR ARE IN THE EMPLOY OF THE BBC. Where does this end, where does it begin Does an employee of the BBC have the right to a private life, and to hold personal opinions I think appearing with a public figure and expressing an explicit political opinion are two differing things - though they can overlap. Of course a BBC employee has the right to hold any private political position he wishes - even positions that fail to impress the BBC's extensive DIE administration. The reason I think this is required is twofold. Firstly, the BBC is supposed to appear impartial Secondly, the public life profile (renown) of a BBC presenter is publicly funded. Using this renown to forward your political opinions at the expense of others, is cheating (a form of stealing from your political opponents).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 10:19:50 GMT
"I think appearing with a public figure and expressing an explicit political opinion are two differing things - though they can overlap"
----------------------------------------------------- Many celebrities in the employ of the BBC HAVE frequently come out in favour of supporting one political party or another, including Ken Dodd.
Twitter is not a publicly owned, or publicly funded platform, and as a citizen, and as an individual, Gary Linekar has every right to express his opinion.
In reality, Gary Linekar has not expressed a political opinion, as in supportive of one political party over another, he has expressed an opinion on a topical issue.
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 10:24:57 GMT
"I think appearing with a public figure and expressing an explicit political opinion are two differing things - though they can overlap" ----------------------------------------------------- Many celebrities in the employ of the BBC HAVE frequently come out in favour of supporting one political party or another, including Ken Dodd. Twitter is not a publicly owned, or publicly funded platform, and as a citizen, and as an individual, Gary Linekar has every right to express his opinion. In reality, Gary Linekar has not expressed a political opinion, as in supportive of one political party over another, he has expressed an opinion on a topical issue. I think you have this upside down. I think an exception should be made for indicating you support a particular political party when asked. The problematic behaviour is using your publicly funded BBC profile to advertise controversial political positions and argue against your opposition. This would not stop Gary arguing his position as "Mr Smith"
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Post by walterpaisley on Mar 11, 2023 11:14:15 GMT
"I think appearing with a public figure and expressing an explicit political opinion are two differing things - though they can overlap" ----------------------------------------------------- Many celebrities in the employ of the BBC HAVE frequently come out in favour of supporting one political party or another, including Ken Dodd. Twitter is not a publicly owned, or publicly funded platform, and as a citizen, and as an individual, Gary Linekar has every right to express his opinion. In reality, Gary Linekar has not expressed a political opinion, as in supportive of one political party over another, he has expressed an opinion on a topical issue. The bottom line remains, both for posters on here and a generally right-wing press, would there be so many voices condemning Mr L if he'd tweeted IN FAVOUR of the policy and had condemned it's detractors? I think we know the answer.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2023 11:25:53 GMT
Walt - read the BBC Guidelines. "Guidelines" is the clue there. Is there nothing in the contract saying you have to follow the editorial guidelines? If not, what is the point of them?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 11, 2023 11:28:46 GMT
View Attachment Here is a picture of Ken Dodd with one of his heroes "Margaret Thatcher", there are lots of images to be found with Ken and Margaret. There are also images and stories of many other celebrities appearing with, and supporting Margaret Thatcher and other political leaders. There are pictures of Bruce Forsyth with Margaret Thatcher, also Paul Danniels. There are pictures of more up to date celebrities with Boris Johnson and ALL OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE, OR ARE IN THE EMPLOY OF THE BBC. Where does this end, where does it begin Does an employee of the BBC have the right to a private life, and to hold personal opinions Ken Dodd was on ITV. But on your wider point - do you have any examples of these BBC celebrities attacking Government policy whilst in the employment of the BBC?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2023 11:40:49 GMT
The BBC has been an overweeningly leftist organisation for decades, at least in culture if not explicitly. The current DG is quite clearly trying to enforce some semblance of impartiality. Not that I think that anyone is fooled.
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 11:46:04 GMT
If this is the case , expect to hear a lot of screaming and the occasional use of the word 'holocaust'
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 12:29:09 GMT
No one is getting my point - that Gary Linekar OFF AIR and outside of work has every right to express personal opinions, provided that they are not offensive, abusive, insulting or derogatory, on a public domain which is available to all.
If you cannot accept the "Libertarian Concept" then you must favour the kind of society which exists in Russia, North Korea or China.
Mr Andrew Neal comes immediately to mind as someone with specific Conservative views, which he regularly expressed, not least in newspaper columns, at the same time he was employed by the BBC.
As stated previously - the TORY BOSSES at the BBC are going to lose this fight, and I see now that its now affecting most BBC Sports programmes, with many now been cancelled because staff have walked.
From Marcus Rashford to Gary Linekar - the Tories attempted to silence criticism, but they wont win .... never
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 12:37:23 GMT
No one is getting my point - that Gary Linekar OFF AIR and outside of work has every right to express personal opinions, provided that they are not offensive, abusive, insulting or derogatory, on a public domain which is available to all. I get your point but I think you are mistaken. He does not have the unlimited right to use a publicly funded profile to further his personal politics. Imho he can still politically express himself, but not in a way that is linked to his BBC persona. If you cannot accept the "Libertarian Concept" then you must favour the kind of society which exists in Russia, North Korea or China. If we were sticking to a libertarian ethical model, we wouldn't have a BBC - ie people wouldn't be forced to pay Gary
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 11, 2023 13:06:27 GMT
No one is getting my point - that Gary Linekar OFF AIR and outside of work has every right to express personal opinions, provided that they are not offensive, abusive, insulting or derogatory, on a public domain which is available to all. If you cannot accept the "Libertarian Concept" then you must favour the kind of society which exists in Russia, North Korea or China. Mr Andrew Neal comes immediately to mind as someone with specific Conservative views, which he regularly expressed, not least in newspaper columns, at the same time he was employed by the BBC. As stated previously - the TORY BOSSES at the BBC are going to lose this fight, and I see now that its now affecting most BBC Sports programmes, with many now been cancelled because staff have walked. From Marcus Rashford to Gary Linekar - the Tories attempted to silence criticism, but they wont win .... never I think there are people who have found his words offensive and insulting; comparing the illegal immigration Bill's language similar to what Germany used in the '30's.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2023 14:45:18 GMT
No one is getting my point - that Gary Linekar OFF AIR and outside of work has every right to express personal opinions, provided that they are not offensive, abusive, insulting or derogatory, on a public domain which is available to all. If you cannot accept the "Libertarian Concept" then you must favour the kind of society which exists in Russia, North Korea or China. Mr Andrew Neal comes immediately to mind as someone with specific Conservative views, which he regularly expressed, not least in newspaper columns, at the same time he was employed by the BBC. As stated previously - the TORY BOSSES at the BBC are going to lose this fight, and I see now that its now affecting most BBC Sports programmes, with many now been cancelled because staff have walked. From Marcus Rashford to Gary Linekar - the Tories attempted to silence criticism, but they wont win .... never
Oh I get your point totally - what people say outside of work should be their business.
But unfortunately, it's not that simple. Plenty of employers have policies about what people can say or do outside of work because it can affect their business.
Remember the guy a few years ago who flew a "White Lives Matter" banner and got the sack from his totally unrelated job? I remember plenty of lefties wholeheartedly supporting that. But now Lineker's been sanctioned and the same people are crying "Foul".
Well stuff them and stuff Lineker. What goes around comes around and if you want to support "No platforming" well this is what it looks like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 14:58:22 GMT
This is "censure" or gagging of a citizen from expressing his or her views, and Gary Linekar s views on this topical issue is NOT political, in so much as it makes no reference to Party Politics.
There are a great many people in this country, including me, who can now see that for some people in mortal danger or distress, there is now no means available to request asylum in the UK, and that is an indisputable fact.
In the 1930s there were many politicians and people in this country who opposed granting refuge to Jews from Germany.
If Gary Linekar in his own free thinking mind, wishes to express his opinion on the subject, the same as thousands of other famous people have done on Twitter, then why should the Tory Boss of the BBC stop him. ?
Its a step too far, and as I posted previously, this time the Tories are not going to get away with it
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 11, 2023 15:21:04 GMT
This is "censure" or gagging of a citizen from expressing his or her views, and Gary Linekar s views on this topical issue is NOT political, in so much as it makes no reference to Party Politics. There are a great many people in this country, including me, who can now see that for some people in mortal danger or distress, there is now no means available to request asylum in the UK, and that is an indisputable fact. In the 1930s there were many politicians and people in this country who opposed granting refuge to Jews from Germany. If Gary Linekar in his own free thinking mind, wishes to express his opinion on the subject, the same as thousands of other famous people have done on Twitter, then why should the Tory Boss of the BBC stop him. Its a step too far, and as I posted previously, this time the Tories are not going to get away with it
Unmitigated nonsense from start to finish.
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