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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 14, 2023 12:57:56 GMT
Well if you read the room many of us disagree with you. You can't disagree with fact. Lineker did not use a BBC platform unless you think the BBC run Twitter. We can, and we will. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 12:59:14 GMT
Just as yourself and others are entitled to their exaggerations. Imagine if a Tory MP said anything derogatory regarding Jug ears and his football career, they'd quite rightly be told to stick to the job they are being paid to do, just like we're telling Jug ears to stick to the job he's employed to do, if MPs want to become football pundits quit politics, and if football pundits want to become politicians quit being a football commentator, quite simple reallly. Like when Penny Mordaunt accused Labour of “borrowing from the Gary Lineker playbook” by being the “party of goal hangers” taking easy shots against the Government. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 13:04:55 GMT
The BBC SHOULD be an institution ( like the monarchy ) which unites people, regardless of political persuassion.
There are not many British institutions these days which are the best in the world, and BBC News is both listened to by more people than any other news source, and trusted by more people than any other.
If politicians start using the BBC as a political football, then it could be in mortal danger, a very popular institution which we have all grown up with and live with.
A good start in taking the political heat out of the BBC would be to change the way its top bosses are selected, separate STATE from GOVERNMENT, give the responsibility to a multi-party committee, or even to the Privy Council who act on matters of State NOT government, and who are multi party.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 14, 2023 13:05:39 GMT
Imagine if a Tory MP said anything derogatory regarding Jug ears and his football career, they'd quite rightly be told to stick to the job they are being paid to do, just like we're telling Jug ears to stick to the job he's employed to do, if MPs want to become football pundits quit politics, and if football pundits want to become politicians quit being a football commentator, quite simple reallly. Like when Penny Mordaunt accused Labour of “borrowing from the Gary Lineker playbook” by being the “party of goal hangers” taking easy shots against the Government. If you read what most of us are saying, we don't agree with the lefties or the right using the BBC as a means to get their political points across, it's not a party political broadcasting company, it 'should' be a publicly funded impartial Broadcasting Company. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 13:07:52 GMT
The issue for me about Linekar is not about politics, or the Left or Right, it is about Libitarianism, and the rights of citizens as private individuals and freedom of expression. The problem with that framing is that Lineker works for an organisation that significantly breaks the libertarian ethic. If Lineker is to keep his rights intact, what about the rights of people currently coerced into contributing to his wages? These people's rights don't matter? Selective / inappropriate use of this ethic is pretty common. I'm coerced into paying towards the wages of MPs like Braverman. Does that mean I can silence her on any subject other than the job I pay her for? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2023 13:10:08 GMT
The problem with that framing is that Lineker works for an organisation that significantly breaks the libertarian ethic. If Lineker is to keep his rights intact, what about the rights of people currently coerced into contributing to his wages? These people's rights don't matter? Selective / inappropriate use of this ethic is pretty common. I'm coerced into paying towards the wages of MPs like Braverman. Does that mean I can silence her on any subject other than the job I pay her for? She is elected to express her views. So, no |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 14, 2023 13:11:04 GMT
The problem with that framing is that Lineker works for an organisation that significantly breaks the libertarian ethic. If Lineker is to keep his rights intact, what about the rights of people currently coerced into contributing to his wages? These people's rights don't matter? Selective / inappropriate use of this ethic is pretty common. I'm coerced into paying towards the wages of MPs like Braverman. Does that mean I can silence her on any subject other than the job I pay her for? She's voted in by the electorate, we don't have a voting choice who the BBC employ. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 13:13:38 GMT
Alan Sugar and Andrew Neil are forever voicing their political opinions in spite of their BBC connections. So has Gary without problems. His recent outburst, implying the governing party and a large fraction of UK public were nascent Nazis, was deemed to have 'gone beyond the pale' First of all he never called anyone Nazis, that's just a distortion of what he said and secondly he was shown to have not breached the BBC's guidelines which is why he will be back in his job on Saturday night. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 14, 2023 13:14:28 GMT
If a migrant has the means and the physical strength to travel from Africa, Asia or Eastern Europe then they are not vulnerable. If they travel France then they are not seeking Asylum , they already have it . They are seeking a softer life than France can offer . Many are drowned or come close to drowning in their attempt to acquire asylum which means they are vulnerable or have become vulnerable even if the blame for it at that stage rests with themselves. They are apparently by law, still allowed to claim asylum. They don't have asylum if the are stuck in the English channel in British waters. No amount of 'logical' debate will alter that existing problem, if or when it does, it will no longer be a problem. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 13:15:42 GMT
I'm coerced into paying towards the wages of MPs like Braverman. Does that mean I can silence her on any subject other than the job I pay her for? She is elected to express her views. So, no Who elected you to express your views? Is that the benchmark we all have to reach in order to express an opinion now? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 14, 2023 13:19:59 GMT
She is elected to express her views. So, no Who elected you to express your views? Is that the benchmark we all have to reach in order to express an opinion now? Magrathea and yourself are elected mods, does that mean you can only comment on selected topics?
You are absolutely free to voice your own opinions, whether we agree with them is irrelevant, you do not represent any organization or paid by members of the public, so enjoy your FREEDOM of speech.
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 13:20:54 GMT
Like when Penny Mordaunt accused Labour of “borrowing from the Gary Lineker playbook” by being the “party of goal hangers” taking easy shots against the Government. If you read what most of us are saying, we don't agree with the lefties or the right using the BBC as a means to get their political points across, it's not a party political broadcasting company, it 'should' be a publicly funded impartial Broadcasting Company. So where is the outrage at comments made by Alan Sugar or Andrew O'Neil? Where is the disgust at a former Tory candidate and major donor to the party being appointed as chairman of the BBC? You have no argument when it comes to impartiality. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2023 13:21:09 GMT
So has Gary without problems. His recent outburst, implying the governing party and a large fraction of UK public were nascent Nazis, was deemed to have 'gone beyond the pale' First of all he never called anyone Nazis, that's just a distortion of what he said and secondly he was shown to have not breached the BBC's guidelines which is why he will be back in his job on Saturday night. He was not 'shown' to be anything, he was judged using a very vague standard. My own view is he clearly stepped over a line in terms of appropriateness, |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 13:22:03 GMT
We need two things to stop the boats
A proper pathway to claim asylum, and the speeding up of the entire system, including faster screening out of applicants from places such as Albania, who can then be repatriated back.
The proposals going through Parliament are doomed to failure, they wont work, the proposals literally shut off the internationally recognised means of claiming asylum, and the proposals make no mention of the process system which is clearly not working properly.
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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2023 13:23:10 GMT
She is elected to express her views. So, no Who elected you to express your views? Is that the benchmark we all have to reach in order to express an opinion now? I don't collect my pay via an institution that is empowered to coerce payment from the public and has a charter of impartiality. |
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