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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:11:17 GMT
Before 1907 eh Loads of them about.... i take it you didnt read the article as usual vinny?
The old agreement between scotland and france , which under french law gave scots french citizenship was thought to have ended in 1907 during the entente cordialle negotiations between british and france , when the uk government of the day went whinging to the french to take citizenship rights away from us.
However in the article , Dr. Talbott believe s she has uncovered evidence it never formally ended.....
A University of Manchester historian has uncovered evidence which shows how a defensive alliance against England between Scotland and France might never have formally ended – potentially making it the longest in history.
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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:15:32 GMT
My mate pacifico believes foreign parliaments (in that case the irish parliament) can pass nationality laws for uk citizens .(1956 irish nationality act) giving them eu citizenship...
If correct , perhaps the french can pass a french nationality act for scots giving us our european citizenship back like the irish have for the northern irish if my mate pacifico has it right  |
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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:18:38 GMT
Crackdown on SNP ministers using meetings with foreign governments to promote independence
Foreign Secretary to remind Britain’s embassies a UK diplomat should be present at meetings between SNP ministers and foreign governments
the stranglehold tightens in our "voluntary union " . 
So the UK govt., by adhering to the devolution rules, and by encouraging the Scottish govt. to do likewise rather than over-step its authority, translates as “the stranglehold tightens” in the twisted and grievance-mongering Indy mindset. I appreciate that your obsession with the Indy cause blinds you to reality when that reality doesn’t suit your agenda, but it is ScotGov, and ScotGov alone, that has been behaving inappropriately and breaking the rules here and therefore it is ScotGov, and ScotGov alone, that deserves criticism on this matter. ah happy you are back !!!!
I think the uk governments weak attempt at strangling scot gov ministers is funny as fuck.
Back in 2014 , we had the then uk prime minister "behaving inappropriately" as you put it asking foreign governments to interfere and stop scotland leaving the uk. Now the boot is on the other foot , unionists are crying out in terror.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 12, 2023 19:06:08 GMT
The UK Government is not attempting to strangle ScotGov ministers. It is simply honouring the devolution arrangements and, quite rightly, it is just expecting ScotGov to honour the devolution arrangements too.
Are unionists “crying out in terror” as you claim? I am unaware of that but you could be right. However, if you are, I am not sure what they are in terror of. As far as I can see, the unionists amongst us hold all the cards.
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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 19:16:54 GMT
The UK Government is not attempting to strangle ScotGov ministers. It is simply honouring the devolution arrangements and, quite rightly, it is expecting ScotGov to honour the devolution arrangements too. Are unionists “crying out in terror” I am unaware of that but you could be right. However, if you are, I am not sure what they are in terror of. As far as I can see, the unionists amongst us hold all the cards. Your tory friends trying to silence snp ministers and silence sports pundits like gary lineker.
We really are headed in the direction of a fascist totalitarian state happy arent we A little bit of criticism by a former footballer , or talks with friendly neighbouring countires and the british go all to pieces.
I suspect its going to get worse as the uk breaks down further . How long before we have armed soldiers on the streets like northern ireland Banning the public voting. Incarcerating those who dont hold tory party brit nat views?
I tell you lineker was spot on.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 19:22:35 GMT
The UK Government is not attempting to strangle ScotGov ministers. It is simply honouring the devolution arrangements and, quite rightly, it is expecting ScotGov to honour the devolution arrangements too. Are unionists “crying out in terror” I am unaware of that but you could be right. However, if you are, I am not sure what they are in terror of. As far as I can see, the unionists amongst us hold all the cards. Your tory friends trying to silence snp ministers and silence sports pundits like gary lineker.
We really are headed in the direction of a fascist totalitarian state happy arent we A little bit of criticism by a former footballer , or talks with friendly neighbouring countires and the british go all to pieces.
I suspect its going to get worse as the uk breaks down further . How long before we have armed soldiers on the streets like northern ireland Banning the public voting. Incarcerating those who dont hold tory party brit nat views?
I tell you lineker was spot on.
 " The external activities and public comments, for example on social media, of staff, presenters and others who contribute to our output can also affect perceptions of the BBC’s impartiality. " This is what Lineker defies whilst expecting to be paid millions. His arrogance, hypocrisy and dodgy tax affairs is what honest people are questioning. As for totalitarian, you should see his social media followers. --- SNP mocked over partial u-turn in media ban at leadership contest hustingsThe SNP originally said the ban was to create a "safe space for members to ask questions", but the party has now indicated a very small number of journalists will gain accesswww.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/snp-mocked-over-partial-u-29343253
It sounds like an autocracy to me.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 12, 2023 19:45:10 GMT
I would make an exception if it is with the EU...........
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Post by happyjack on Mar 12, 2023 19:56:32 GMT
The UK Government is not attempting to strangle ScotGov ministers. It is simply honouring the devolution arrangements and, quite rightly, it is expecting ScotGov to honour the devolution arrangements too. Are unionists “crying out in terror” I am unaware of that but you could be right. However, if you are, I am not sure what they are in terror of. As far as I can see, the unionists amongst us hold all the cards. Your tory friends trying to silence snp ministers and silence sports pundits like gary lineker.
We really are headed in the direction of a fascist totalitarian state happy arent we A little bit of criticism by a former footballer , or talks with friendly neighbouring countires and the british go all to pieces.
I suspect its going to get worse as the uk breaks down further . How long before we have armed soldiers on the streets like northern ireland Banning the public voting. Incarcerating those who dont hold tory party brit nat views?
I tell you lineker was spot on.
The few Tories amongst my friends haven’t got the power to silence anybody - and the Tories that might be perceived to have the power to silence SNP ministers (although none actually have that power unless SNP ministers abuse their position first, of course) are not trying to do so as far as I can see. I am supportive of what Gary Lineker said (although not sure that it was helpful to reference pre-war Germany) and I admire the stance that he, and his colleagues at the BBC, have taken. The current Tory government and far too many of the current crop of Tory MPs shame us all - and the deplorables amongst us, who used to hide in the shadows, seem to be growing in number and becoming increasingly visible and vocal. We can’t all just sit on our hands and let them run amok. Frankly, if the UK continues to go down this road and things continue to snowball then there will be a point where I will have to accept, economic hardship or not, that the only thing to do is to walk away. For me, though, that breaking point is still someway off and I still expect sanity and decency to prevail well before we reach that point.. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 13:10:46 GMT
Before 1907 eh Loads of them about.... i take it you didnt read the article as usual vinny?
The old agreement between scotland and france , which under french law gave scots french citizenship was thought to have ended in 1907 during the entente cordialle negotiations between british and france , when the uk government of the day went whinging to the french to take citizenship rights away from us.
However in the article , Dr. Talbott believe s she has uncovered evidence it never formally ended.....
A University of Manchester historian has uncovered evidence which shows how a defensive alliance against England between Scotland and France might never have formally ended – potentially making it the longest in history.
If you want to live and work in France go there. Otherwise stop boring us all with irrelevant anti English drivel. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 14, 2023 8:45:32 GMT
i take it you didnt read the article as usual vinny?
The old agreement between scotland and france , which under french law gave scots french citizenship was thought to have ended in 1907 during the entente cordialle negotiations between british and france , when the uk government of the day went whinging to the french to take citizenship rights away from us.
However in the article , Dr. Talbott believe s she has uncovered evidence it never formally ended.....
A University of Manchester historian has uncovered evidence which shows how a defensive alliance against England between Scotland and France might never have formally ended – potentially making it the longest in history.
If you want to live and work in France go there. Otherwise stop boring us all with irrelevant anti English drivel. I cant help it vinny if you continually dont read links ,and instead make silly pronouncements about what is being discussed.. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 14, 2023 8:51:47 GMT
Your tory friends trying to silence snp ministers and silence sports pundits like gary lineker.
We really are headed in the direction of a fascist totalitarian state happy arent we A little bit of criticism by a former footballer , or talks with friendly neighbouring countires and the british go all to pieces.
I suspect its going to get worse as the uk breaks down further . How long before we have armed soldiers on the streets like northern ireland Banning the public voting. Incarcerating those who dont hold tory party brit nat views?
I tell you lineker was spot on.
Frankly, if the UK continues to go down this road and things continue to snowball then there will be a point where I will have to accept, economic hardship or not, that the only thing to do is to walk away. For me, though, that breaking point is still someway off and I still expect sanity and decency to prevail well before we reach that point.. No matter how low the british stoop , your "breaking point" for union support will always be just around the corner happy. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 14, 2023 12:07:43 GMT
No, that’s not true because, as I have clearly indicated, my breaking point is nowhere near being just around the corner at present.
However, on the general point that you make, you are right that I would find it difficult to turn that corner knowing that in so doing I would be imposing horrendously deep and long-lasting (perhaps permanent) financial damage upon myself and my fellow Scottish residents, and be reducing the already difficult circumstances of many to distressing levels.
Fortunately, however, I am confident that things will not get close to that point. Indeed, we face the genuine prospect of us taking a meaningful step away from that corner within the next 18 months or so when this shocking government, and many of the deplorables who prop it up on the Tory benches, will surely be shown the door.
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Post by thomas on Mar 14, 2023 16:19:21 GMT
. Fortunately, however, I am confident that things will not get close to that point. Indeed, we face the genuine prospect of us taking a meaningful step away from that corner within the next 18 months or so when this shocking government, and many of the deplorables who prop it up on the Tory benches, will surely be shown the door. ....but thats the problem with that "unionist " argument isnt it happy .? The tories always come back into power , and indeed have held power for two thirds of the last century.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 14, 2023 17:37:41 GMT
No, that’s the problem with the First Past the Post argument. Labour’s membership is now strongly in favour of PR rather than FPTP. Starmer is resisting the membership at the moment, but if Labour ever find themselves forming a 2nd term government again, there will be real pressure from within to introduce PR.
In my view, and assuming SNP don’t self-harm most of their Westminster seats away before then, that is the best prospect for them securing another indyref, in exchange for supporting the introduction of PR for Westminster elections.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 14, 2023 18:28:49 GMT
Your tory friends trying to silence snp ministers and silence sports pundits like gary lineker.
We really are headed in the direction of a fascist totalitarian state happy arent we A little bit of criticism by a former footballer , or talks with friendly neighbouring countires and the british go all to pieces.
I suspect its going to get worse as the uk breaks down further . How long before we have armed soldiers on the streets like northern ireland Banning the public voting. Incarcerating those who dont hold tory party brit nat views?
I tell you lineker was spot on.
The few Tories amongst my friends haven’t got the power to silence anybody - and the Tories that might be perceived to have the power to silence SNP ministers (although none actually have that power unless SNP ministers abuse their position first, of course) are not trying to do so as far as I can see. I am supportive of what Gary Lineker said (although not sure that it was helpful to reference pre-war Germany) and I admire the stance that he, and his colleagues at the BBC, have taken. The current Tory government and far too many of the current crop of Tory MPs shame us all - and the deplorables amongst us, who used to hide in the shadows, seem to be growing in number and becoming increasingly visible and vocal. We can’t all just sit on our hands and let them run amok. Frankly, if the UK continues to go down this road and things continue to snowball then there will be a point where I will have to accept, economic hardship or not, that the only thing to do is to walk away. For me, though, that breaking point is still someway off and I still expect sanity and decency to prevail well before we reach that point..Three questions... What 'sanity and decency' have you seen so far? What will have to happen for you to think that it's time to walk away? What is the deal breaker for you? |
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