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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2023 20:01:43 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change.
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Post by wapentake on Mar 9, 2023 21:30:19 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Getting power |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 10, 2023 2:04:16 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Equality I think. They believe everyone should have the same opportunities. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 8:03:04 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Equality I think. They believe everyone should have the same opportunities. If you believed in Equality you would not champion quotas. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 10, 2023 12:58:14 GMT
Equality I think. They believe everyone should have the same opportunities. If you believed in Equality you would not champion quotas. You probably would.
Look I'm just using these words as the mind of the Labour voter uses them. My view is equality is meaningless. Each of us has different DNA. Equality is a slogan.
However to go back to the question, I do think equality is the ideological glue that keeps all these various factions together. They are all losers and look at the winners as corrupt as they are paraded in front of them. They believe the winners have taken all their money, and if there were equality their wages would be on par with the playboy rich kid and his Lamborghinis around Mayfair. They don't get it that there are far more poor than rich.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2023 12:58:53 GMT
Identity politics….Identity politics is a political approach wherein people of a particular race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, social background, social class, or other identifying factors develop political agendas that are based upon these identities.
Sums them up nicely.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 10, 2023 14:38:43 GMT
Identity politics….Identity politics is a political approach wherein people of a particular race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, social background, social class, or other identifying factors develop political agendas that are based upon these identities. Sums them up nicely. Yes, but that's more a method than a goal, although you could say they stand for it, in that standing for something is rather vague. The problem is the lion's share of the population are dumb, poor and blaming the rich, so if you have one of these dumb poor people who had not got their own life together, then you are led by someone who is clueless. Rishi is kind of the total inverse, where he has made a lot of money and is the richest MP in the house. The theory is that if he can do it for himself, he can manage the country in a similar way. By the way, people say you can't bribe a rich man. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 10, 2023 16:15:16 GMT
Identity politics….Identity politics is a political approach wherein people of a particular race, nationality, religion, gender, sexual orientation, social background, social class, or other identifying factors develop political agendas that are based upon these identities. Sums them up nicely. Yes, but that's more a method than a goal, although you could say they stand for it, in that standing for something is rather vague. The problem is the lion's share of the population are dumb, poor and blaming the rich, so if you have one of these dumb poor people who had not got their own life together, then you are led by someone who is clueless. Rishi is kind of the total inverse, where he has made a lot of money and is the richest MP in the house. The theory is that if he can do it for himself, he can manage the country in a similar way. By the way, people say you can't bribe a rich man. I agree but some people might say you can’t bribe a rich man but I’m pretty sure you can . |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 10, 2023 18:47:43 GMT
Yes, but that's more a method than a goal, although you could say they stand for it, in that standing for something is rather vague. The problem is the lion's share of the population are dumb, poor and blaming the rich, so if you have one of these dumb poor people who had not got their own life together, then you are led by someone who is clueless. Rishi is kind of the total inverse, where he has made a lot of money and is the richest MP in the house. The theory is that if he can do it for himself, he can manage the country in a similar way. By the way, people say you can't bribe a rich man. I agree but some people might say you can’t bribe a rich man but I’m pretty sure you can . Yep that is how some of them got rich |
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Post by Handyman on Mar 10, 2023 18:50:58 GMT
To answer the question in the OP.
The only thing they stand up for and sing with gusto is the Red Flag.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2023 0:35:22 GMT
Yes, but that's more a method than a goal, although you could say they stand for it, in that standing for something is rather vague. The problem is the lion's share of the population are dumb, poor and blaming the rich, so if you have one of these dumb poor people who had not got their own life together, then you are led by someone who is clueless. Rishi is kind of the total inverse, where he has made a lot of money and is the richest MP in the house. The theory is that if he can do it for himself, he can manage the country in a similar way. By the way, people say you can't bribe a rich man. I agree but some people might say you can’t bribe a rich man but I’m pretty sure you can . Only if that was how he got rich in the first place. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2023 0:37:06 GMT
To answer the question in the OP. The only thing they stand up for and sing with gusto is the Red Flag. Is that something to do with the red lines? |
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Post by borchester on Mar 11, 2023 2:09:08 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Getting power That is right.
And they want power over the whole UK. Without too much change. So the first thing is to crush the rebellious Scots and preserve the union, although with the nationalists abandoning the drive for independence, that can be taken pretty much as a given.
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Post by patman post on Mar 11, 2023 14:32:05 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Equality I think. They believe everyone should have the same opportunities. At one time, that was a belief of the true Tories.
It's got watered down since Thatcher and Major as its many leaders strove to win back power by blatantly courting the Far Right and the reactionary sentiments that the BNP and Ukip managed to whip up among Labour's ignored.
Under Starmer, Labour is recognising how One Nation conservatism is its way back, providing it doesn't screw up once again through daft ideas and antics...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 11, 2023 15:22:10 GMT
Equality I think. They believe everyone should have the same opportunities. At one time, that was a belief of the true Tories.
It's got watered down since Thatcher and Major as its many leaders strove to win back power by blatantly courting the Far Right and the reactionary sentiments that the BNP and Ukip managed to whip up among Labour's ignored.
Under Starmer, Labour is recognising how One Nation conservatism is its way back, providing it doesn't screw up once again through daft ideas and antics...
Starmer's Achilles heel is that despite the appearance of intellect in his abilities as a lawyer, he does not even posses a CSE's worth of understanding of economics. This compares to Rishi, who was talked about by some City economics expert in relation to our medium term economic prosperity and he was saying the figures he has now are defying BoE and other official projections in what is now a £30bn surplus on what was expected. Rishi is pulling the UK economy out of the pit it was in. Energy figures look better than expected and better relations with the EU are sure to factor into it as we ease import/export inefficiencies. See him as a car mechanic servicing a shitely running engine. Once you fix these problems we should start to see some decent growth, which will leave Starmer in a quandary, considering he is the man of a millions doom and gloom predictions.
Indeed the way i see the Tories is like it is in two parts. You have the ones who are actually running the economy and making intelligent decisions, and then you have the Lee Anderson types who are like salesmen who will tell the prole any old shit as long as they hand the vote over. This way you separate the bullshit circus so it does not affect the real running of the country. |
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