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Post by Vinny on Mar 12, 2023 10:44:58 GMT
Baron, in the interests of fairness, Rachel Reeves the Shadow Chancellor is a qualified economist.
Not going soft here, but Starmer doesn't have to, that's the Shadow Chancellor's job.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 12, 2023 22:15:21 GMT
Baron, in the interests of fairness, Rachel Reeves the Shadow Chancellor is a qualified economist. Not going soft here, but Starmer doesn't have to, that's the Shadow Chancellor's job. I'm sure I read that page before. I'll point out the first degree was PPE
And as for the LSE, it's a world leading Marxist institution. It's very common amongst leftwing MPs and also a degree in Oxford gives you a ticket to work in a bank. My old mate chose British Airways, but like a degree at Oxbridge gives you a pick of any of Blighty's corporations. She's probably quite smart, but don't expect her to fix the economy. Mao was quite smart as well. He was a Marxist economist.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 15:45:07 GMT
Labour represents the corruption in the civil service and the BBC. They rejected the working classes long ago and seem to rely on their Marxist organisations, like BLM. If they were actually credible and not led by creepy weirdos they'd probably have more support from real people, instead of the Woke fascistic mobs.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 16, 2023 18:25:07 GMT
What does Labour stand for?
Well yesterday they were attacking the scrapping of the Pensions lifetime limit..and yet 6 weeks ago they were promising to scrap the Pensions lifetime limit..
Seems that they stand for opposition for oppositions sake.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 9:40:58 GMT
Labour represents the corruption in the civil service and the BBC. They rejected the working classes long ago and seem to rely on their Marxist organisations, like BLM. If they were actually credible and not led by creepy weirdos they'd probably have more support from real people, instead of the Woke fascistic mobs. More lies.😔 |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 18, 2023 11:13:33 GMT
Labour represents the corruption in the civil service and the BBC. They rejected the working classes long ago and seem to rely on their Marxist organisations, like BLM. If they were actually credible and not led by creepy weirdos they'd probably have more support from real people, instead of the Woke fascistic mobs. More lies.😔 Then stop telling them then...Thar yago sorted. |
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Post by piglet on Mar 18, 2023 14:22:16 GMT
If the next election was a football match, Labour are like a centre forward two inches from the goal line, the ball comes to him, and the goalie and defenders are no where to be seen.
The forward misses. If Labour dont win the next election, where does it leave them?, surely its the end. Like with the conservatives who have become lib dem. Would you put a pound on a labour win?
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Mar 18, 2023 18:44:35 GMT
Labour stand for control: They want to control every aspect of our lives, which they seek to achieve via divide and conquer. Their previously favoured tactic was class war but is now identity politics since class lost traction.
It's a fascistic, totalitarian ideology as ever supported by the useful idiots at the bottom who actually believe that some form of equality is being achieved.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 12:20:44 GMT
Labour stand for control: They want to control every aspect of our lives, which they seek to achieve via divide and conquer. Their previously favoured tactic was class war but is now identity politics since class lost traction. It's a fascistic, totalitarian ideology as ever supported by the useful idiots at the bottom who actually believe that some form of equality is being achieved. Unfortunate, but true. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 24, 2023 17:30:31 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Labour, or Starmer seem to be frightened of saying anything even slightly controversial in case it adversely affects the polls. Starmers strategy seems to be to slag off anything the government comes up with while offering no alternative policies in case they upset the electorate. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2023 17:59:54 GMT
A simple question. What does the Labour party now stand for? It doesnt seem to be for any kind of meaningful change. Labour, or Starmer seem to be frightened of saying anything even slightly controversial in case it adversely affects the polls. Starmers strategy seems to be to slag off anything the government comes up with while offering no alternative policies in case they upset the electorate. Yeah pretty much. The only occasional policy snippet they ever come out with - like ending non dom status - is clearly stuff that has gone down well in the focus groups without upsetting too many in the establishment. They give every impression of believing in power for its own sake and nothing else. But then again New Labour has never held any principle too dear not to be sold out on in pursuit of power. We are unlikely ever to hear what they truly stand for because they don't stand for anything except power for its own sake and being a better liked version of what we've already got. |
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Post by Cartertonian on Mar 26, 2023 10:26:42 GMT
Under our current political structures, that applies to both main parties.
The core principles of both Labour and the Tories are only held by a relatively small minority of the electorate. Under our current system, where one can gain exclusive access to 'power' off the back of a numerical minority of the vote, that enables the 'principled' ideologues on both sides to work from within their own 'broad church' parties to help them secure power and then attempt to steer the resultant government in a way that aligns more with those core principles they venerate. We saw that with Truss and Kwarteng. Many who fear a Labour government probably do so because they predict a Labour 'Truss & Kwarteng' move at some point in a Labour government's future, i.e. an internal takeover by unhinged ideologues.
I follow a range of political opinion on Twitter, from the like of Paul Joseph Watson and Sargon of Akkad, through Suella Braverman, Rishi Sunak (he's my MP as well as my PM) and Johnny Mercer, to Kier Starmer, Wes Streeting and Angela Raynor and onward to the likes of Owen Jones and Ash Sarkar.
My conclusion is that the British electorate do not favour full socialism, but neither do they favour libertarian capitalism.
It's time we revised our political system, so that no one group of ideologues can have such disproportionate influence on the levers of power. Many detractors argue that this would legitimise small, extremist parties and well it might, but a properly constituted political system would result in the majority of centre-left/centre-right politicians being able to tell the swivelled-eyed loons on both sides to get back in their boxes.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 26, 2023 10:57:28 GMT
It's time we revised our political system, so that no one group of ideologues can have such disproportionate influence on the levers of power. Many detractors argue that this would legitimise small, extremist parties and well it might, but a properly constituted political system would result in the majority of centre-left/centre-right politicians being able to tell the swivelled-eyed loons on both sides to get back in their boxes. Hows that working out in Italy where they have the electoral system you aspire to and for the first time since the 1930's have elected a Fascist as leader.. I think you under estimate the power of populist politics... |
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Post by Cartertonian on Mar 26, 2023 13:35:38 GMT
Simple. We are not Italy.
The British would not stand for an extremist government from either pole of the notional political spectrum.
Sadly however, our current system enables governments to drift toward their more extreme, ideological fringe, the longer they are in power.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 26, 2023 17:54:21 GMT
Simple. We are not Italy. The British would not stand for an extremist government from either pole of the notional political spectrum.
Sadly however, our current system enables governments to drift toward their more extreme, ideological fringe, the longer they are in power. The last election under PR resulted in the largest Party being led by Nigel Farage. Labour under Corbyn (remember when they were singing his name at Glastonbury) almost won a surprise victory in 2017 and it was only beaten in 2019 because he was running against another populist. Given the policy failures of 30 years of left/liberal policies a populist leader/party advocating extreme views could easily prove attractive to large swathes of the electorate looking for a change. |
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