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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 12:06:34 GMT
Urban myth' GERS figures debunked by Scottish economist's research
On hearing about the groundbreaking research, Robin Thompson – who had a career in economic development with various Scottish councils – applied Doyle’s methodology to GERS figures for the same year of 2018/19 in a bid to examine whether an independent Scotland would inherit the giant fiscal gap the UK Government often claims it would.
The GERS [Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland] figures for 2018/19 suggested the deficit in Scotland was £12.6bn, or 7% of GDP, but Thompson concluded an independent Scotland could actually inherit a surplus of £2.7bn.
GERS has been consistently criticised for only representing what Scotland’s economic situation is as part of the UK and gives no indication of what an independent Scotland would absorb.
Even in what Thompson regards as the “worst-case scenario” – where Scotland had to pay 100% of pension costs – he concluded the deficit would still only be £6.3bn or 3.4% of GDP
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 12:19:03 GMT
GERS figures are the figures of the Scottish devolved government.
If you're saying those figures are wrong, you're calling Scotland's government liars.
Anyway, save money, use leading questions and hold a poll showing devolution is unpopular.
Hold a referendum with a leading question:
Should taxpayers money be saved and needless bureaucracy be removed?
Yes / No.
If yes, we abolish the Scottish Parliament and reinstate direct rule.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 13:04:50 GMT
GERS figures are the figures of the Scottish devolved government. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 13:24:01 GMT
If they weren't accurate why does the Scottish devolved government still use them and promote the GERS system ?
Accept it, it's your claims which are off.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 13:29:51 GMT
If they weren't accurate why does the Scottish devolved government still use them and promote the GERS system Accept it, it's your claims which are off. The scottish government publish them , they dont create them. 40 % of the spending is under uk government control.
There have been calls for years to stop using the gers figures , only sturgeon can know why they carried on . The thinking from what i can see was it was better to have damage limitation than ignore .
The op debunks the methodology in the gers figures and calls into question the accuracy . As have many over the years.
They were deliberately designed as former sos ian lang famously said , to undermine political opponents rather than as a serious set of accounts for scotland.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 13:32:23 GMT
Like I said, your position is wrong.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 13:34:54 GMT
Like I said, your position is wrong. prove it. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 10, 2023 11:09:05 GMT
The GERS figures do that for me.
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 11:44:14 GMT
The GERS figures do that for me. They dont.
GERS relates only to the current devolution settlement. It says absolutely nothing about the economy of an independent Scotland . In any event using GERS to “prove” that Scotland would be worse off if it were independent is absurd because:
GERS doesn’t represent a full set of accounts;
Currently 40% of the costs (and the policies which drive them) aren’t under Scottish Government control because they’re reserved to Westminster.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 10, 2023 14:14:27 GMT
Wrong.
See the thing is the devolved government spends more than tax revenue provides for.
Revenue would be the same no matter how Scotland was governed.
And a side effect is that you'd fail to meet EU deficit rules (EU deficit rules are a requirement of accession).
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 15:50:05 GMT
Wrong. See the thing is the devolved government spends more than tax revenue provides for. Gers isnt "devolved spending". 40 % of the spending allocated to scotland is westmisnter reserved spending on our behalf. Do you actually read links and posts before replying ? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 15:53:58 GMT
And a side effect is that you'd fail to meet EU deficit rules (EU deficit rules are a requirement of accession). see what i mean about not reading posts and links? This is already covered in the op post and subsequent articles ...
he concluded the deficit would still only be £6.3bn or 3.4% of GDP, this is not too far off the 3% deficit rule
You dont debate vinny. You merely scream incoherently past everyone.
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Post by borchester on Mar 10, 2023 16:14:41 GMT
And a side effect is that you'd fail to meet EU deficit rules (EU deficit rules are a requirement of accession). see what i mean about not reading posts and links? This is already covered in the op post and subsequent articles ...
he concluded the deficit would still only be £6.3bn or 3.4% of GDP, this is not too far off the 3% deficit rule
You dont debate vinny. You merely scream incoherently past everyone.
None of this is worth the steam off Wee Krankies undies.
If the EU wants Scotland to join then the books will be cooked appropriately. I think that Brussels will do the necessary if for no other reason than that Scotland is likely to be a net contributor to the EU budget, unlike the current eight applicants for membership, whose defining economic characteristic is that their arses are out of their trousers.
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 16:49:49 GMT
see what i mean about not reading posts and links? This is already covered in the op post and subsequent articles ...
he concluded the deficit would still only be £6.3bn or 3.4% of GDP, this is not too far off the 3% deficit rule
You dont debate vinny. You merely scream incoherently past everyone.
None of this is worth the steam off Wee Krankies undies.
all part of the phoney war borkie. Vinny and co scream no you cant , and i calmly point out yes we can.
For a bunch of people who keep telling me we scots are beneath their contempt and interest , they do sure take some fucking interest in our comings and goings.
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Post by thomas on Mar 10, 2023 16:54:22 GMT
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