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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 7:27:51 GMT
No of those countries have been 'destroyed', damage possibly but not destroyed, don't be so dramatic. OK let us fly with damaged. At what point do you think that any more will be damaging to the UK. We already have in England and Wales approx one in six born outside the UK. How many more can we take and still be Britain, how many more should we take and is there a number you think is too many. For most other people they think we have long passed the too many. Ah, it's not the 'immigrants' that are the concern it is Britishness you are worried about, finally a realisation. Unfortunately humans keep evolving and soon, according to some sources, we will all be tanned skinned and black haired, get used to it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 7:29:34 GMT
The Mini is one of a very long list. Good example - British Leyland lost money on every Mini they sold, so immigration is simply a drain on the public purse. The man behind the Mini was an immigrant it took British Leyland to mess it up. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 7:30:40 GMT
I think the Tories are ostensibly trying to avoid the left's asylum model - ie flooding the country with applicants that then can't be deported I notice this one was ignored. No it wasn't.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 27, 2023 7:36:45 GMT
Good example - British Leyland lost money on every Mini they sold, so immigration is simply a drain on the public purse. The man behind the Mini was an immigrant it took British Leyland to mess it up. 😂 It's not hard to design a car that is uneconomic... The big trick is to design one that makes money...
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Post by sandypine on Mar 27, 2023 8:29:18 GMT
OK let us fly with damaged. At what point do you think that any more will be damaging to the UK. We already have in England and Wales approx one in six born outside the UK. How many more can we take and still be Britain, how many more should we take and is there a number you think is too many. For most other people they think we have long passed the too many. Ah, it's not the 'immigrants' that are the concern it is Britishness you are worried about, finally a realisation. Unfortunately humans keep evolving and soon, according to some sources, we will all be tanned skinned and black haired, get used to it. It is everything including Britishness. Why would British people not want to remain British people. What is special about British people that they alone amongst all the world,s peoples must not be allowed to remain what they wish to be. Jews can be Jews, Palestinians can be Palestinians, Native Americans can be Native Americans. Kurds can be Kurds. WE allow all sorts of peoples to be themselves in our Multicultural wonderland. Why would you deny the right of British people to be British, and predominantly British, in Britain. Perhaps that is your motive, and that of the left, overcome the British, swamp them with incomers against their will and change the country. It has changed as I have indicated. If it was a deliberate policy it was no different to the Nazis trying to engineer the society they wanted, if it was accidental it was negligence on a grand scale and criminally so. Your last point indicates that this outcome is what you desire which indicates ideology no different from the Nazis in enforcing change on peoples. No good will come of it and it paints a picture of generations of strife. You would think history teaches us that when you consider Ireland just for one.
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Post by Orac on Mar 27, 2023 8:40:57 GMT
Odd isn't it? If someone were to forward the notion that black people would / should be wiped out by demography and white people were the future - ie 'get used to it', he'd probably call them a Nazi (perhaps with some mild justification)
I wonder how many people on that side of the asylum/immigration debate are actually motivated somewhat by low level genocidal urges.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 27, 2023 9:09:03 GMT
Odd isn't it? If someone were to forward the notion that black people would / should be wiped out by demography and white people were the future - ie 'get used to it', he'd probably call them a Nazi (perhaps with some mild justification) I wonder how many people on that side of the asylum/immigration debate are actually motivated somewhat by low level genocidal urges. Indeed natural evolution is widely accepted and if black and white choose independently to procreate that is not any sort of problem if one believes in the rights of the individual. This thread indicates that that view apparently is at the forefront of the thinking of the left. Until that individual is a white British citizen. Then those rights disappear and he must accept what is imposed on him by International Law with the connivance of his own 'sovereign' parliament. Those low level genocidal urges come very much to the fore in some unrestrained moments when the mask slips and those adherents to the CRT see the demise of whiteness as distinctly positive.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2023 17:16:50 GMT
Ah, it's not the 'immigrants' that are the concern it is Britishness you are worried about, finally a realisation. Unfortunately humans keep evolving and soon, according to some sources, we will all be tanned skinned and black haired, get used to it. It is everything including Britishness. Why would British people not want to remain British people. What is special about British people that they alone amongst all the world,s peoples must not be allowed to remain what they wish to be. Jews can be Jews, Palestinians can be Palestinians, Native Americans can be Native Americans. Kurds can be Kurds. WE allow all sorts of peoples to be themselves in our Multicultural wonderland. Why would you deny the right of British people to be British, and predominantly British, in Britain. Perhaps that is your motive, and that of the left, overcome the British, swamp them with incomers against their will and change the country. It has changed as I have indicated. If it was a deliberate policy it was no different to the Nazis trying to engineer the society they wanted, if it was accidental it was negligence on a grand scale and criminally so. Your last point indicates that this outcome is what you desire which indicates ideology no different from the Nazis in enforcing change on peoples. No good will come of it and it paints a picture of generations of strife. You would think history teaches us that when you consider Ireland just for one. All societies are changing as the world gets small, why should we be the only ones not to change? The rest of your rant is nationalistic twaddle.
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Post by Orac on Mar 27, 2023 17:25:09 GMT
It is everything including Britishness. Why would British people not want to remain British people. What is special about British people that they alone amongst all the world,s peoples must not be allowed to remain what they wish to be. Jews can be Jews, Palestinians can be Palestinians, Native Americans can be Native Americans. Kurds can be Kurds. WE allow all sorts of peoples to be themselves in our Multicultural wonderland. Why would you deny the right of British people to be British, and predominantly British, in Britain. Perhaps that is your motive, and that of the left, overcome the British, swamp them with incomers against their will and change the country. It has changed as I have indicated. If it was a deliberate policy it was no different to the Nazis trying to engineer the society they wanted, if it was accidental it was negligence on a grand scale and criminally so. Your last point indicates that this outcome is what you desire which indicates ideology no different from the Nazis in enforcing change on peoples. No good will come of it and it paints a picture of generations of strife. You would think history teaches us that when you consider Ireland just for one. All societies are changing as the world gets small, why should we be the only ones not to change? The rest of your rant is nationalistic twaddle. Of course change is inevitable. However, I see no particular reason why the targets of your eradication program wouldn't / shouldn't tell you to jump out of ninth story window
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Post by sandypine on Mar 27, 2023 21:27:51 GMT
It is everything including Britishness. Why would British people not want to remain British people. What is special about British people that they alone amongst all the world,s peoples must not be allowed to remain what they wish to be. Jews can be Jews, Palestinians can be Palestinians, Native Americans can be Native Americans. Kurds can be Kurds. WE allow all sorts of peoples to be themselves in our Multicultural wonderland. Why would you deny the right of British people to be British, and predominantly British, in Britain. Perhaps that is your motive, and that of the left, overcome the British, swamp them with incomers against their will and change the country. It has changed as I have indicated. If it was a deliberate policy it was no different to the Nazis trying to engineer the society they wanted, if it was accidental it was negligence on a grand scale and criminally so. Your last point indicates that this outcome is what you desire which indicates ideology no different from the Nazis in enforcing change on peoples. No good will come of it and it paints a picture of generations of strife. You would think history teaches us that when you consider Ireland just for one. All societies are changing as the world gets small, why should we be the only ones not to change? The rest of your rant is nationalistic twaddle. All societies are, and do change, that is the nature of the human world. What we normally abhor is the targeted change aimed deliberately at a group of people, any group of people, to destroy them as a group through denigration of their culture, history and identity. British Culture has been under attack for years both as regards its existence and its suitability when recognised. History is being attacked in the here and now as wicked, oppressive intolerant and unpleasant. Identity is also under attack British now encompasses all sorts of peoples and groups and is now in reality only a citizenship and not an ethnic group. English is being attacked by the likes of Lammy who say he is not only a British minority but is also English. The ethnic English now find they have nothing they can call their own and it is a deliberate policy. It seem Eugenics is only an evil ideology when it is not putting true Brits in their place.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 7:44:38 GMT
All societies are changing as the world gets small, why should we be the only ones not to change? The rest of your rant is nationalistic twaddle. Of course change is inevitable. However, I see no particular reason why the targets of your eradication program wouldn't / shouldn't tell you to jump out of ninth story window Eradication? ?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 7:45:30 GMT
All societies are changing as the world gets small, why should we be the only ones not to change? The rest of your rant is nationalistic twaddle. All societies are, and do change, that is the nature of the human world. What we normally abhor is the targeted change aimed deliberately at a group of people, any group of people, to destroy them as a group through denigration of their culture, history and identity. British Culture has been under attack for years both as regards its existence and its suitability when recognised. History is being attacked in the here and now as wicked, oppressive intolerant and unpleasant. Identity is also under attack British now encompasses all sorts of peoples and groups and is now in reality only a citizenship and not an ethnic group. English is being attacked by the likes of Lammy who say he is not only a British minority but is also English. The ethnic English now find they have nothing they can call their own and it is a deliberate policy. It seem Eugenics is only an evil ideology when it is not putting true Brits in their place. British culture under attack? By whom may I ask?
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Post by sandypine on Mar 28, 2023 9:03:59 GMT
All societies are, and do change, that is the nature of the human world. What we normally abhor is the targeted change aimed deliberately at a group of people, any group of people, to destroy them as a group through denigration of their culture, history and identity. British Culture has been under attack for years both as regards its existence and its suitability when recognised. History is being attacked in the here and now as wicked, oppressive intolerant and unpleasant. Identity is also under attack British now encompasses all sorts of peoples and groups and is now in reality only a citizenship and not an ethnic group. English is being attacked by the likes of Lammy who say he is not only a British minority but is also English. The ethnic English now find they have nothing they can call their own and it is a deliberate policy. It seem Eugenics is only an evil ideology when it is not putting true Brits in their place. British culture under attack? By whom may I ask? Culture is being attacked through revisionist history, denigration of all that was and is British and through the targeting of anything existing now that was in anyway associated with colonialism or Empire. There are many who carry this out and many who buy into the narrative. It is done by concentrating only on the British part of any unpleasant parts of history, ignoring the part played by others, adopting language that misdirects (and this thread is about the use of language which the left are seemingly very sensitive about when it suits) and seeking removal of any offending artifact, rewriting of books and education. Let us take one small example that illustrates the tale, there are many more. David Olusoga in his statement to the jury in the Colston trial as an expert witness was inaccurate in his statements. He used the terms 'into slavery' and 'enslavement' frequently when testifying yet these are emotive words and inaccurate. Into slavery implies that they were taken as free people and transported to become slaves and enslavement implies that the act of making them slaves was carried out by Colston. They were already slaves before they arrived at the trading point, they were enslaved by other Africans and Arab traders and they were transported as slaves not into slavery. The Barbary pirates transported people into slavery they did not buy slaves from French and Cornish citizens of already enslaved peoples.
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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 28, 2023 10:10:23 GMT
Of course change is inevitable. However, I see no particular reason why the targets of your eradication program wouldn't / shouldn't tell you to jump out of ninth story window Eradication? ? If 'eradication' is too strong to swallow how about 'replacement' instead as a kinder, gentler term?
The last census reports that in the period from 2001 to 2021 the number of residents identifying as White British declined by 1.1 million, while the number identifying as other ethnicities increased by 8.7 million.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 10:42:19 GMT
British culture under attack? By whom may I ask? Culture is being attacked through revisionist history, denigration of all that was and is British and through the targeting of anything existing now that was in anyway associated with colonialism or Empire. There are many who carry this out and many who buy into the narrative. It is done by concentrating only on the British part of any unpleasant parts of history, ignoring the part played by others, adopting language that misdirects (and this thread is about the use of language which the left are seemingly very sensitive about when it suits) and seeking removal of any offending artifact, rewriting of books and education. Let us take one small example that illustrates the tale, there are many more. David Olusoga in his statement to the jury in the Colston trial as an expert witness was inaccurate in his statements. He used the terms 'into slavery' and 'enslavement' frequently when testifying yet these are emotive words and inaccurate. Into slavery implies that they were taken as free people and transported to become slaves and enslavement implies that the act of making them slaves was carried out by Colston. They were already slaves before they arrived at the trading point, they were enslaved by other Africans and Arab traders and they were transported as slaves not into slavery. The Barbary pirates transported people into slavery they did not buy slaves from French and Cornish citizens of already enslaved peoples. This is laughable, you are nit-picking 'terms' of slavery. I does not matter what terms you apply to Coulson he was a slave trader and owner, simple.
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