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Post by sandypine on Mar 17, 2023 22:23:10 GMT
All pretty much in evidence during the NewLabour years. This is pretty much the least Tory, Tory party that has ever been in power. Fleeing persecution once again raises its head yet the boats are disembarking from France. They may have fled persecution but they are now asylum shopping and that is taking advantage of a necessary consideration in the convention and the goodwill of the British people. You have no clue as to why these people want to come to the UK and do not give a fig for their rights as long as it does not impinge on your sensibilities. Relative to the population, the UK is below the EU average in terms of the number of asylum seeker applications received. Well the thing is you do not know either which was the point. You say 'fleeing persecution' but they are fleeing from France. That is the bottom line. So that means they are asylum shopping. Now asylum shopping was not the intent of the Refugee convention it was to facilitate the ability of those to escape across borders to reach a place of safety. Net migration is lower in most of those countries, we have already taken many people from Hong Kong who are a different type of refugee but non eth less part of the equation. As an interesting point, which no doubt no one will address, from the Ukraine the refugees into the UK are 82% female. The Ukraine is an active war zone and they are fleeing danger and leaving their men folk behind to tackle that danger. Across the channel those 'fleeing danger' are primarily young men of fighting age who have left behind their woman, children and elderly in the danger areas whilst they 'flee', your word, the danger. This is a demographic almost entirely missing from the Ukraine refugees. Every picture tells a story and it is this fact alone that tells us what is happening and is what makes people here feel as though the channel hoppers are indeed taking the piss out of the UK goodwill and the British people. No good will come of it and we will blame the dogooders in the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 7:46:02 GMT
You have no clue as to why these people want to come to the UK and do not give a fig for their rights as long as it does not impinge on your sensibilities. Relative to the population, the UK is below the EU average in terms of the number of asylum seeker applications received. Well the thing is you do not know either which was the point. You say 'fleeing persecution' but they are fleeing from France. That is the bottom line. So that means they are asylum shopping. Now asylum shopping was not the intent of the Refugee convention it was to facilitate the ability of those to escape across borders to reach a place of safety. Net migration is lower in most of those countries, we have already taken many people from Hong Kong who are a different type of refugee but non eth less part of the equation. As an interesting point, which no doubt no one will address, from the Ukraine the refugees into the UK are 82% female. The Ukraine is an active war zone and they are fleeing danger and leaving their men folk behind to tackle that danger. Across the channel those 'fleeing danger' are primarily young men of fighting age who have left behind their woman, children and elderly in the danger areas whilst they 'flee', your word, the danger. This is a demographic almost entirely missing from the Ukraine refugees. Every picture tells a story and it is this fact alone that tells us what is happening and is what makes people here feel as though the channel hoppers are indeed taking the piss out of the UK goodwill and the British people. No good will come of it and we will blame the dogooders in the end. Still no understanding have you. I agree the majority leaving Ukraine are women and children and the majority fleeing the likes of Yemen are young men. Taking the Yemen case there has been a civil war there for almost a decade, that's different from an invasion by a foreign force war, and the young men are targeted because they are seen as a threat to the opposing faction. How can you not understand that? As to France being a safe country, that ridiculous statement has been debunked many, many times. Refugees do not have to settle in the first, second or third safe country they arrive in, they can apply for asylum in any country they wish. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 8:51:05 GMT
Well the thing is you do not know either which was the point. You say 'fleeing persecution' but they are fleeing from France. That is the bottom line. So that means they are asylum shopping. Now asylum shopping was not the intent of the Refugee convention it was to facilitate the ability of those to escape across borders to reach a place of safety. Net migration is lower in most of those countries, we have already taken many people from Hong Kong who are a different type of refugee but non eth less part of the equation. As an interesting point, which no doubt no one will address, from the Ukraine the refugees into the UK are 82% female. The Ukraine is an active war zone and they are fleeing danger and leaving their men folk behind to tackle that danger. Across the channel those 'fleeing danger' are primarily young men of fighting age who have left behind their woman, children and elderly in the danger areas whilst they 'flee', your word, the danger. This is a demographic almost entirely missing from the Ukraine refugees. Every picture tells a story and it is this fact alone that tells us what is happening and is what makes people here feel as though the channel hoppers are indeed taking the piss out of the UK goodwill and the British people. No good will come of it and we will blame the dogooders in the end. As to France being a safe country, that ridiculous statement has been debunked many, many times. Refugees do not have to settle in the first, second or third safe country they arrive in, they can apply for asylum in any country they wish. France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 8:59:05 GMT
As to France being a safe country, that ridiculous statement has been debunked many, many times. Refugees do not have to settle in the first, second or third safe country they arrive in, they can apply for asylum in any country they wish. France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. Poland and Moldova are safe countries to, why do people always pick on the French? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 9:27:54 GMT
France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. Poland and Moldova are safe countries to, why do people always pick on the French? I would presume to know, but if they are in a safe country, they clearly don't need to flee to safety |
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2023 9:34:25 GMT
As to France being a safe country, that ridiculous statement has been debunked many, many times. Refugees do not have to settle in the first, second or third safe country they arrive in, they can apply for asylum in any country they wish. France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 9:35:52 GMT
Poland and Moldova are safe countries to, why do people always pick on the French? I would presume to know, but if they are in a safe country, they clearly don't need to flee to safety We have accepted Ukrainian refugees from Poland, a safe country, why are Ukrainians different? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 9:36:32 GMT
France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) France takes more refugees per head than we do. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 9:43:56 GMT
France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) They are in a safe country regardless. I don't blame countries at all for saying nein to people who break in from adjacent safe countries. There needs to be an international arrangement so that all people who do this can be sent somewhere they likely don't. want to go. Until then, countries get lumbered with those they don't prevent entering in this manner. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2023 9:45:38 GMT
IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) They are in a safe country regardless. I don't blame countries at all for saying nein to people who break in from adjacent safe countries. There needs to be an international arrangement so that all people who do this can be sent somewhere they likely don't. want to go. Until then, countries get lumbered with those they don't prevent entering in this manner. Actually it's as much like the EU should stop this Dublin dodge |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 18, 2023 10:28:59 GMT
Well the thing is you do not know either which was the point. You say 'fleeing persecution' but they are fleeing from France. That is the bottom line. So that means they are asylum shopping. Now asylum shopping was not the intent of the Refugee convention it was to facilitate the ability of those to escape across borders to reach a place of safety. Net migration is lower in most of those countries, we have already taken many people from Hong Kong who are a different type of refugee but non eth less part of the equation. As an interesting point, which no doubt no one will address, from the Ukraine the refugees into the UK are 82% female. The Ukraine is an active war zone and they are fleeing danger and leaving their men folk behind to tackle that danger. Across the channel those 'fleeing danger' are primarily young men of fighting age who have left behind their woman, children and elderly in the danger areas whilst they 'flee', your word, the danger. This is a demographic almost entirely missing from the Ukraine refugees. Every picture tells a story and it is this fact alone that tells us what is happening and is what makes people here feel as though the channel hoppers are indeed taking the piss out of the UK goodwill and the British people. No good will come of it and we will blame the dogooders in the end. Still no understanding have you. I agree the majority leaving Ukraine are women and children and the majority fleeing the likes of Yemen are young men. Taking the Yemen case there has been a civil war there for almost a decade, that's different from an invasion by a foreign force war, and the young men are targeted because they are seen as a threat to the opposing faction. How can you not understand that? As to France being a safe country, that ridiculous statement has been debunked many, many times. Refugees do not have to settle in the first, second or third safe country they arrive in, they can apply for asylum in any country they wish.Even if they entered illegally. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2023 10:48:09 GMT
France is a safe country regardless of whether they are able to move. Obviously, if you are in a safe country, there is no need to go somewhere else to get to safety - because you are already in a safe country. IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) Then maybe we should do the same . If the migrants knew that they would never be allowed asylum because they came through France then the incentive would disappear. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2023 11:08:03 GMT
IF that safe country will give asylum. France often says 'non' (because they came through Germany) Then maybe we should do the same . If the migrants knew that they would never be allowed asylum because they came through France then the incentive would disappear. I agree but a problem is getting safe countries they've passed through to take them back. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 18, 2023 11:09:49 GMT
Then maybe we should do the same . If the migrants knew that they would never be allowed asylum because they came through France then the incentive would disappear. I agree but a problem is getting safe countries they've passed through to take them back. Exactly . Put them in secure holding camps until they can be deported. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 18, 2023 11:32:32 GMT
I agree but a problem is getting safe countries they've passed through to take them back. Exactly . Put them in secure holding camps until they can be deported. And let the EU nations know if any of them complain we will expose that it is they that are a huge part of the problem. |
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