|
|
Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 13:17:42 GMT
Thank you for confirming my point. You just want to attack people you can't outwit Oh the irony .😁 |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 14:36:10 GMT
You do know that the Daily mail supported the Nazi's? So did the Daily Mirror - and the left-wing Fabian Society supported Eugenics.. What has that to do with the jug-eared tax dodger? Err the 'supposed' Nazi connection. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 14:41:02 GMT
As I said you moved the goalposts (because you wanted to launch a whataboutery attack on those whose opinions you can't outwit) As I said , it’s relevant because you lefties could of applied the same criteria to Rayner but failed to do so. No goalposts moved, much leftie dishonest shown. Outwitting dishonest lefties doesn’t need or involve their approval. Raynor did call the Tories scum but not on a TV broadcast, the fact that it was filmed was 'inconvenient' But having said that anyone that does not believe the Tories are scum needs a psychiatric revision. Now we are getting into the realm of fantasy. The Nazis called the Jews 'dishonest' amongst other things does that make you a Nazi? We could go on but..... |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 14:48:59 GMT
As I said , it’s relevant because you lefties could of applied the same criteria to Rayner but failed to do so. No goalposts moved, much leftie dishonest shown. Outwitting dishonest lefties doesn’t need or involve their approval. Raynor did call the Tories scum but not on a TV broadcast, the fact that it was filmed was 'inconvenient' But having said that anyone that does not believe the Tories are scum needs a psychiatric revision. Now we are getting into the realm of fantasy. The Nazis called the Jews 'dishonest' amongst other things does that make you a Nazi? We could go on but..... Not sure who "we" is, but please don't go on. You are making yourself look as stupid as a dead horse. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 14:51:50 GMT
As I said , it’s relevant because you lefties could of applied the same criteria to Rayner but failed to do so. No goalposts moved, much leftie dishonest shown. Outwitting dishonest lefties doesn’t need or involve their approval. Raynor did call the Tories scum but not on a TV broadcast, the fact that it was filmed was 'inconvenient' But having said that anyone that does not believe the Tories are scum needs a psychiatric revision. Now we are getting into the realm of fantasy. The Nazis called the Jews 'dishonest' amongst other things does that make you a Nazi? We could go on but..... We got into the realms of fantasy the moment lefties like you supported Linekers fakes claim. Your second sentence sums up linekers and your hypocrisy and dishonesty. That is the argument that refutes the false claim of lineker. We can make the Nazi rhetoric claim against almost any words . Only the terminally dumb or the terminally dishonest would believe it unreservedly. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Mar 16, 2023 15:19:17 GMT
You have taken the meaning you wish to use from it. She may have meant it she may not. Lineker invoked the 'language of 1930s Germany' with much less ambiguity as to what it means. He effectively implied Braverman was behaving like a Nazi. It seems the left can avail themselves of holocaust comparisons at will but if anyone else does it even obliquely it is a crime of the first order as Andrew Bridgen found to his cost. Perhaps less hypocrisy and more honest debate would be helpful but I will not hold my breath as the left wish to control all language to stifle such debate. That's the point isn't it. It does not matter what Braverman meant by calling it an invasion, she knows that a certain section of our society and the racists will pick up on it and run with their meaning, not dissimilar to what Trump said which led to the riots. Lineker was correct because that is the same sort of language the Nazis used until they became powerful enough to open death camps. Remember the Nazis also murdered members of the German judiciary because they did not agree with their policies, they must have been 'lefties' lawyers too. Let us unpick that a bit. So what Braverman means is of no consequence it is what a certain section of our society take from it that matters. Which brings me back to the point in that the left wish to control language. Lineker knows that some of his millions of followers will take it that Braverman is a fascist and a Nazi and may act accordingly but his language is fine becasue in your view it accurately describes what was said. However Braverman accuraetly describing what is happeneing is unacceptable becasue a few will take on board the military connotations . I think the major worry is you either do not see your hypocrisy or you do not care. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 17:44:40 GMT
Raynor did call the Tories scum but not on a TV broadcast, the fact that it was filmed was 'inconvenient' But having said that anyone that does not believe the Tories are scum needs a psychiatric revision. Now we are getting into the realm of fantasy. The Nazis called the Jews 'dishonest' amongst other things does that make you a Nazi? We could go on but..... Not sure who "we" is, but please don't go on. You are making yourself look as stupid as a dead horse. Do you not know the English language, where are you from? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 17:52:48 GMT
Raynor did call the Tories scum but not on a TV broadcast, the fact that it was filmed was 'inconvenient' But having said that anyone that does not believe the Tories are scum needs a psychiatric revision. Now we are getting into the realm of fantasy. The Nazis called the Jews 'dishonest' amongst other things does that make you a Nazi? We could go on but..... We got into the realms of fantasy the moment lefties like you supported Linekers fakes claim. Your second sentence sums up linekers and your hypocrisy and dishonesty. That is the argument that refutes the false claim of lineker. We can make the Nazi rhetoric claim against almost any words . Only the terminally dumb or the terminally dishonest would believe it unreservedly. Are you really saying that calling an immigration crisis an invasion or dehumanising immigrants, note: 'Stop the Boats', is not the language of hostility aimed at the most vulnerable people. You and many others may not want them here for whatever reasons but to 'attempt' to stop them using fear tactics is not really the British way. Lineker said what he thought, when did that become a 'crime' like it did in 1930s Germany? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 17:56:38 GMT
That's the point isn't it. It does not matter what Braverman meant by calling it an invasion, she knows that a certain section of our society and the racists will pick up on it and run with their meaning, not dissimilar to what Trump said which led to the riots. Lineker was correct because that is the same sort of language the Nazis used until they became powerful enough to open death camps. Remember the Nazis also murdered members of the German judiciary because they did not agree with their policies, they must have been 'lefties' lawyers too. Let us unpick that a bit. So what Braverman means is of no consequence it is what a certain section of our society take from it that matters. Which brings me back to the point in that the left wish to control language. Lineker knows that some of his millions of followers will take it that Braverman is a fascist and a Nazi and may act accordingly but his language is fine becasue in your view it accurately describes what was said. However Braverman accuraetly describing what is happeneing is unacceptable becasue a few will take on board the military connotations . I think the major worry is you either do not see your hypocrisy or you do not care. Braverman knows what the right wing in the country thinks of asylum seekers and is using language guaranteed to wind them up. link |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 18:12:19 GMT
Let us unpick that a bit. So what Braverman means is of no consequence it is what a certain section of our society take from it that matters. Which brings me back to the point in that the left wish to control language. Lineker knows that some of his millions of followers will take it that Braverman is a fascist and a Nazi and may act accordingly but his language is fine becasue in your view it accurately describes what was said. However Braverman accuraetly describing what is happeneing is unacceptable becasue a few will take on board the military connotations . I think the major worry is you either do not see your hypocrisy or you do not care. Braverman knows what the right wing in the country thinks of asylum seekers and is using language guaranteed to wind them up. linkYou may find that the most concerned are those who have to live with it, instead of just passing the problem on whilst virtue signalling. My guess is that you are not part of those who do have to live with it, so it's a matter of finding your true motives. |
|
|
|
Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 18:17:06 GMT
We got into the realms of fantasy the moment lefties like you supported Linekers fakes claim. Your second sentence sums up linekers and your hypocrisy and dishonesty. That is the argument that refutes the false claim of lineker. We can make the Nazi rhetoric claim against almost any words . Only the terminally dumb or the terminally dishonest would believe it unreservedly. Are you really saying that calling an immigration crisis an invasion or dehumanising immigrants, note: 'Stop the Boats', is not the language of hostility aimed at the most vulnerable people. You and many others may not want them here for whatever reasons but to 'attempt' to stop them using fear tactics is not really the British way. Lineker said what he thought, when did that become a 'crime' like it did in 1930s Germany? You have been educated that the definitive meaning of ‘ invasion’ is not what you demand it to mean. You have attributed a false meaning. Constantly repeating that false meaning doesn’t make it correct . ‘ Stop the boats ‘ means exactly that . You are attributing a ‘ language of hostility at vulnerable people ‘ falsely . The current migrant problem and the rhetoric associated with it clearly has no parallel with the Nazis of the 1930s but you still keep repeating the same distorted and dishonest false claims. More lies from this leftie ^ . No one , not one single poster has claimed that Lineker committed a criminal offence by posting false claims but here you are post a false and dishonest claim and hiding behind a question mark while you do it . Pathetic. |
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Mar 16, 2023 18:48:42 GMT
Let us unpick that a bit. So what Braverman means is of no consequence it is what a certain section of our society take from it that matters. Which brings me back to the point in that the left wish to control language. Lineker knows that some of his millions of followers will take it that Braverman is a fascist and a Nazi and may act accordingly but his language is fine becasue in your view it accurately describes what was said. However Braverman accuraetly describing what is happeneing is unacceptable becasue a few will take on board the military connotations . I think the major worry is you either do not see your hypocrisy or you do not care. Braverman knows what the right wing in the country thinks of asylum seekers and is using language guaranteed to wind them up. linkWell in the same breath Lineker knows what the radical left think about Nazis. I am still at a loss why it is wrong for Braverman to use, even obtusely, language that can be controversial but OK for Lineker to do exactly the same. Braverman is not inciting anything, Linker is not inciting anything. They are both free to discuss the issue as they see best which is why we have freedom of speech. So far what we see is a determination from the left to absolutely control the language in any sphere of communication irrespective of the legality of that language. |
|
|
|
Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 19:33:29 GMT
No Sandy what we saw was the Daily Mail and its more aligned Tory MPs and supporters try to cancel Lineker by trying to get him sacked
|
|
|
|
Post by patman post on Mar 16, 2023 19:40:21 GMT
We have to face the fact that instead of doing anything effective about unwanted immigration, the current Conservative administration is doing all it can by using language to look strong in order to placate its worried supporters and potential deserters to Right Wing groups.
It was one of ithe Party’s own recently ex-PMs as Home Sec punned that it was known as the Nasty Party — I suggest that was a more direct connection to the fascists of the 1930’s (in Britain, Germany and elsewhere) than Lineker’s tweet…
|
|
|
|
Post by sandypine on Mar 16, 2023 20:19:25 GMT
No Sandy what we saw was the Daily Mail and its more aligned Tory MPs and supporters try to cancel Lineker by trying to get him sacked I would not disagree however it is becoming a tit for tat in that the left, in general, wish to control not just the narrative but the language so that questioning the narrative becomes almost impossible. If we do not describe those crossing the channel as 'vulnerable' or 'fleeing for their lives' then the language police, like Lineker, are out in force. Yet those crossing the channel are a very mixed bag of chancers, economic migrants, criminals as well as an unknown leavening of those that could be described as genuine refugees. The narrative does not belong to the left if Braverman sees it as an invasion then that is the language she can use, after all Labour frequently refer to 'attacks' on the working man and the poor as do the Unions. The effort to 'cancel' Lineker was a play you at your own game and highlights the hypocrisy of teh left as they desperately seek to control that narrative and Lineker is part of that game. |
|
