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Post by sandypine on Mar 16, 2023 10:27:26 GMT
How selective and disingenuous in your meaning of invasion. It has meanings without a military element. Read and learn: www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/invasionthe fact of a large number of people or things arriving somewhere, especially people or things that are unpleasant
the annual tourist invasion
Farmers are struggling to cope with an invasion of slugs.
Robberies and home invasions are grim facts of daily life.Did Braverman make that distinction, no. She was playing to the racist and right winger of the country. You have taken the meaning you wish to use from it. She may have meant it she may not. Lineker invoked the 'language of 1930s Germany' with much less ambiguity as to what it means. He effectively implied Braverman was behaving like a Nazi. It seems the left can avail themselves of holocaust comparisons at will but if anyone else does it even obliquely it is a crime of the first order as Andrew Bridgen found to his cost. Perhaps less hypocrisy and more honest debate would be helpful but I will not hold my breath as the left wish to control all language to stifle such debate. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 16, 2023 10:32:28 GMT
How selective and disingenuous in your meaning of invasion. It has meanings without a military element. Read and learn: www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/invasionthe fact of a large number of people or things arriving somewhere, especially people or things that are unpleasant
the annual tourist invasion
Farmers are struggling to cope with an invasion of slugs.
Robberies and home invasions are grim facts of daily life.Did Braverman make that distinction, no. She was playing to the racist and right winger of the country. She doesn't have to make that distinction because the word means what it means. Only someone with a giant political chip on their shoulder or some kind of brain injury would interpret her use of the word to mean 'military invasion' |
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 10:38:35 GMT
Lineker didn't say 'identical' he said 'not dissimilar' and since he was quoting from a holocaust survivor he had a point (on the language being used).
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Post by Orac on Mar 16, 2023 10:44:25 GMT
Lineker didn't say 'identical' he said 'not dissimilar' and since he was quoting from a holocaust survivor he had a point (on the language being used). Then his claim is so vague as to be facile because all language use is 'similar' or 'has similarities'. There are technically 'similarities' between the language used by Bruce Forsyth and the language used in 1930s Germany. then the obvious question arises - if his claim is so vague it could be fitted to anything, why did he choose to fit it there in particular? The answer is, because he was engaging in a smear |
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 10:45:06 GMT
No apologies for dealing with what he actually posted instead of imagined accounts of it
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 10:49:02 GMT
You are talking shit. The Nazis did not address an immigration problem by demonising the migrants . The governments words or actions have no parallel to the words or actions of Nazi German . The only one’s talking the language of hate and fear are dishonest lefties like you making false claims. I did not say it was an immigration issue. We are talking about Lineker and the tweet he made about the language used by our government and it not being dissimilar to that used by the Germans 1n the 30s to demonise the Jews. Do keep up. It is dissimilar and you have failed to provide a decent argument to support your claim. Just repeating it won’t cut it. The fact that you are too dim or too disingenuous to accept that there is no parallel to the two situations doesn’t help you either . |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 10:53:20 GMT
Lineker didn't say 'identical' he said 'not dissimilar' and since he was quoting from a holocaust survivor he had a point (on the language being used). Then where was he when Rayner called the governments scum? That isn’t dissimilar to the view of Nazis towards ,Jews, Slavs , communists and Jehovahs witnesses. Looks like Lineker and his apologists is quite happy for a senior Labour politician to use ‘Nazi’ rhetoric. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 11:01:50 GMT
You keep moving the goalposts you're going get that crossbar on your head
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2023 11:41:08 GMT
Did Braverman make that distinction, no. She was playing to the racist and right winger of the country. You have taken the meaning you wish to use from it. She may have meant it she may not. Lineker invoked the 'language of 1930s Germany' with much less ambiguity as to what it means. He effectively implied Braverman was behaving like a Nazi. It seems the left can avail themselves of holocaust comparisons at will but if anyone else does it even obliquely it is a crime of the first order as Andrew Bridgen found to his cost. Perhaps less hypocrisy and more honest debate would be helpful but I will not hold my breath as the left wish to control all language to stifle such debate. That's the point isn't it. It does not matter what Braverman meant by calling it an invasion, she knows that a certain section of our society and the racists will pick up on it and run with their meaning, not dissimilar to what Trump said which led to the riots. Lineker was correct because that is the same sort of language the Nazis used until they became powerful enough to open death camps. Remember the Nazis also murdered members of the German judiciary because they did not agree with their policies, they must have been 'lefties' lawyers too. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 16, 2023 11:46:26 GMT
You do know that the Daily mail supported the Nazi's? So did the Daily Mirror - and the left-wing Fabian Society supported Eugenics.. What has that to do with the jug-eared tax dodger? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 12:13:33 GMT
You keep moving the goalposts you're going get that crossbar on your head It’s relevant and points out the hypocrisy of Lineker, you and lefties in general . The false claim is just another contrived strategy by lefties for lefties. The same leftiespeak claim could be applied to Rayner but wasn’t . |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 12:15:58 GMT
You have taken the meaning you wish to use from it. She may have meant it she may not. Lineker invoked the 'language of 1930s Germany' with much less ambiguity as to what it means. He effectively implied Braverman was behaving like a Nazi. It seems the left can avail themselves of holocaust comparisons at will but if anyone else does it even obliquely it is a crime of the first order as Andrew Bridgen found to his cost. Perhaps less hypocrisy and more honest debate would be helpful but I will not hold my breath as the left wish to control all language to stifle such debate. That's the point isn't it. It does not matter what Braverman meant by calling it an invasion, she knows that a certain section of our society and the racists will pick up on it and run with their meaning, not dissimilar to what Trump said which led to the riots. Lineker was correct because that is the same sort of language the Nazis used until they became powerful enough to open death camps. Remember the Nazis also murdered members of the German judiciary because they did not agree with their policies, they must have been 'lefties' lawyers too. Other way around. Lineker cherry picked words, took them out of context and made a false claim. Meanwhile his sycophants and swivel eyed lefties applaud the dishonesty. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 12:43:30 GMT
You keep moving the goalposts you're going get that crossbar on your head It’s relevant and points out the hypocrisy of Lineker, you and lefties in general . The false claim is just another contrived strategy by lefties for lefties. The same leftiespeak claim could be applied to Rayner but wasn’t . As I said you moved the goalposts (because you wanted to launch a whataboutery attack on those whose opinions you can't outwit) |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2023 12:56:34 GMT
It’s relevant and points out the hypocrisy of Lineker, you and lefties in general . The false claim is just another contrived strategy by lefties for lefties. The same leftiespeak claim could be applied to Rayner but wasn’t . As I said you moved the goalposts (because you wanted to launch a whataboutery attack on those whose opinions you can't outwit) As I said , it’s relevant because you lefties could of applied the same criteria to Rayner but failed to do so. No goalposts moved, much leftie dishonest shown. Outwitting dishonest lefties doesn’t need or involve their approval. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 16, 2023 13:15:48 GMT
Thank you for confirming my point. You just want to attack people you can't outwit
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