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Post by Orac on Mar 14, 2023 9:13:41 GMT
Adolf Hitler was very much an invasion positive type guy. No doubt he spent some time on the possibility of Germany being invaded (especially towards the end) but his main focus seemed to be on doing the invading. If anything, Braverman is evoking the rhetoric of Winston Churchill, who talked a great deal about Britain being invaded
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Post by Bentley on Mar 14, 2023 10:17:23 GMT
Looks like Steve likes to exaggerate without posting anything to support it. All you had to do was ask or google 'The home secretary has said she will not apologise for her language, after a Holocaust survivor criticised her for describing migrants as an "invasion".
Joan Salter, 83, confronted Suella Braverman during a meeting in her Fareham constituency on Friday.
She said the home secretary's rhetoric reminded her of the language the Nazis used to justify murdering her family.'Maybe you or the ‘ Holocaust survivor’ might like to tell us the Nazis view on uncontrolled immigration or people trafficking. The fact is that they never had a view because they never experienced it . Perhaps Ms Salter is being manipulated by lefties like you . |
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Post by Steve on Mar 14, 2023 10:27:40 GMT
Maybe instead of trying to move the goalposts, you should just admit I proved my point with a link to evidence, the language was not dissimilar
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Post by Bentley on Mar 14, 2023 10:32:24 GMT
Maybe instead of trying to move the goalposts, you should just admit I proved my point with a link to evidence, the language was not dissimilar Nope you merely posted a link to a old lady who got roped into the same false claim that you are spouting. Take a few words out of context , make a false claim , rope in a vulnerable old lady to back up your false claim. The Godwins law gold star for you and your leftie friends. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 14, 2023 10:39:47 GMT
So Steve are we going to accuse the fragrant Ms Rayner of using Nazi language when she called Tories scum?
I’m sure many a Nazi called Jews scum . Maybe they can wheel out a ‘ Holocaust survivor ‘ as an expert witness .
See how cynical your lefties friends tactics are when they come from a different angle ?
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Post by sandypine on Mar 14, 2023 11:50:13 GMT
Maybe instead of trying to move the goalposts, you should just admit I proved my point with a link to evidence, the language was not dissimilar Your link showed that the only word that is in issue is 'invasion'. This certainly seems to be a very relevant word to be used when identifying the problem. Do you have another suggestion for what she should have said that did not raise the hackles of the perpetually affronted? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 14, 2023 12:55:08 GMT
Rubbish. I have every sympathy for refugees, genuine refugees. Sadly you and Linekar are doing nothing but harm to the plight of refugees. If you think the people who pay criminals to cross the channel to flee the hell of war torn France are refugees, then google Kutupalong refugee camp. Unlike the criminals who are crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. You have just bought into the rhetoric of hate that describes refugees as invaders and considers treating them as criminals the act of a patriot. Monte, anyone blessed with an IQ in double figures should reasonably be able to conclude that people who pay traffickers to get them from safe country A to safe country B are not in fact, refugees. Continuing with this ridiculous claim does nothing but harm to the plight of genuine refugees of which there are none in the safe EU state of France. Sadly legislation penned in the shadow or WW2 when there were millions of displaced people in Europe makes it easy for left wing politicians and lawyers to claim asylum seekers, criminals, economic migrants, people traffickers from who knows where, are in fact, refugees. This is a nonsense and I'm pleased that Tory MP's are putting pressure on Sunak to withdraw the UK from the ECHR and hopefully the ECtHR too. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 14, 2023 13:26:31 GMT
Maybe instead of trying to move the goalposts, you should just admit I proved my point with a link to evidence, the language was not dissimilar Your link showed that the only word that is in issue is 'invasion'. This certainly seems to be a very relevant word to be used when identifying the problem. Do you have another suggestion for what she should have said that did not raise the hackles of the perpetually affronted? Not true but then unlike you I actually read the article in the link |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 14:21:02 GMT
I have an idea, invite all the people of the world to the UK, process them and return the ones we don't want. It will probably save time and money.🤣 We already are doing that and it is not saving time effort or money. In fact it is slowly, and accelerating, destroying us. Perhaps that is the idea. I would like to think it is not but the evidence is that is exactly what is intended and being done. 🤣 I know you cannot be serious but just in case you are there are 7billion+ people in the world, we are not taking that many. It does show however, that if a politician, and I call here that with my tongue in my cheek, like Braverman can inflate the figures others will take up the baton and run with it. Immigration is not 'destroying' this country, where do you get your crap from? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 14:25:21 GMT
Adolf Hitler was very much an invasion positive type guy. No doubt he spent some time on the possibility of Germany being invaded (especially towards the end) but his main focus seemed to be on doing the invading. If anything, Braverman is evoking the rhetoric of Winston Churchill, who talked a great deal about Britain being invaded This has got to be the daftest defence of Braverman and the Tories. We were at war with Germany, we are not at war with Myanmar, South Sudan, Afghanistan........ 🤣 |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 14, 2023 14:37:49 GMT
We already are doing that and it is not saving time effort or money. In fact it is slowly, and accelerating, destroying us. Perhaps that is the idea. I would like to think it is not but the evidence is that is exactly what is intended and being done. 🤣 I know you cannot be serious but just in case you are there are 7billion+ people in the world, we are not taking that many. It does show however, that if a politician, and I call here that with my tongue in my cheek, like Braverman can inflate the figures others will take up the baton and run with it. Immigration is not 'destroying' this country, where do you get your crap from? Who are we rejecting, who are we allowed to reject and when we have rejected them and allowed to have rejected them why are we stopped from deporting them? Could you put a time and value on when the small boats will stop and what numbers will have arrived when they do? I cannot but I can see a neverending stream stretching far into the future. Immigration has destroyed the country as it is fractured and split along ethnic lines and identity is the most important thing for many which frequently includes ethnicity. There was a time it was fairly homogenous apart from a few misfits. Those days are gone and we are bowing to pressure to make things illegal that are part and parcel of the right of any individual in pursuit of his own welfare. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 14, 2023 14:42:24 GMT
This evenings edition of Match of the Day will probably have the best viewing figs ever, everyone's talking about it and even people who don't usually tune in will be curious to see it with no presenters. Just for the record, last Saturday's viewing figs for Match of the Day were up by half a million. Maybe getting rid of virtue signalling left wing pundits is the way to go? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 14, 2023 14:53:49 GMT
This evenings edition of Match of the Day will probably have the best viewing figs ever, everyone's talking about it and even people who don't usually tune in will be curious to see it with no presenters. Just for the record, last Saturday's viewing figs for Match of the Day were up by half a million. Maybe getting rid of virtue signalling left wing pundits is the way to go? Mere curiosity as to what it would look like. After a week's worth of publicity you wouldn't expect anything else. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 14, 2023 15:04:18 GMT
Just for the record, last Saturday's viewing figs for Match of the Day were up by half a million. Maybe getting rid of virtue signalling left wing pundits is the way to go? Mere curiosity as to what it would look like. After a week's worth of publicity you wouldn't expect anything else. I suspect you are correct. However, the BBC should put it to the test.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 15:20:21 GMT
Why would you not call an uninvited influx of mainly young men an invasion? If invasion is the only word that annoys then she should try and remember the multitude of other words that went with that word and were each many times worse. This reference to language redolent of Nazis seems like a ploy for political capital that sees MPs losing the whip if they even indirectly refer to it as mentioned by others. There is a high level of hypocrisy once again. So Sandy you don't deny that the language tone was correctly described by Lineker As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. |
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