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Post by Bentley on Mar 14, 2023 15:24:14 GMT
Adolf Hitler was very much an invasion positive type guy. No doubt he spent some time on the possibility of Germany being invaded (especially towards the end) but his main focus seemed to be on doing the invading. If anything, Braverman is evoking the rhetoric of Winston Churchill, who talked a great deal about Britain being invaded This has got to be the daftest defence of Braverman and the Tories. We were at war with Germany, we are not at war with Myanmar, South Sudan, Afghanistan........ π€£ Is that the goalposts creaking I hear β¦β¦π
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:08:30 GMT
π€£ I know you cannot be serious but just in case you are there are 7billion+ people in the world, we are not taking that many. It does show however, that if a politician, and I call here that with my tongue in my cheek, like Braverman can inflate the figures others will take up the baton and run with it. Immigration is not 'destroying' this country, where do you get your crap from? Who are we rejecting, who are we allowed to reject and when we have rejected them and allowed to have rejected them why are we stopped from deporting them? Could you put a time and value on when the small boats will stop and what numbers will have arrived when they do? I cannot but I can see a neverending stream stretching far into the future. Immigration has destroyed the country as it is fractured and split along ethnic lines and identity is the most important thing for many which frequently includes ethnicity. There was a time it was fairly homogenous apart from a few misfits. Those days are gone and we are bowing to pressure to make things illegal that are part and parcel of the right of any individual in pursuit of his own welfare. Err, Albanians and others. If we were to set up immigration processing centres in France, which the French are happy to accommodate, boat crossings would become a thing of the past. The country has been destroyed by 13 years of Tory rule and a deliberate policy of sowing division.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2023 18:10:07 GMT
This has got to be the daftest defence of Braverman and the Tories. We were at war with Germany, we are not at war with Myanmar, South Sudan, Afghanistan........ π€£ Is that the goalposts creaking I hear β¦β¦π The goalposts are creaking under your lack of understanding of the topic you are discussing.
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Post by sandypine on Mar 14, 2023 18:22:13 GMT
Who are we rejecting, who are we allowed to reject and when we have rejected them and allowed to have rejected them why are we stopped from deporting them? Could you put a time and value on when the small boats will stop and what numbers will have arrived when they do? I cannot but I can see a neverending stream stretching far into the future. Immigration has destroyed the country as it is fractured and split along ethnic lines and identity is the most important thing for many which frequently includes ethnicity. There was a time it was fairly homogenous apart from a few misfits. Those days are gone and we are bowing to pressure to make things illegal that are part and parcel of the right of any individual in pursuit of his own welfare. Err, Albanians and others. If we were to set up immigration processing centres in France, which the French are happy to accommodate, boat crossings would become a thing of the past. The country has been destroyed by 13 years of Tory rule and a deliberate policy of sowing division. Not many of any group have been deported some have not been due to government incompetence but many due to legal challenges. The point about Abu Quatada as that was one case and if each migrant has the same right, and they do, then that is 800 billion as potential costs on those here already. It is not sustainable. The seeds of division were sown many years ago and nurtured under NewLabour. The Tories carried on the charade.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 14, 2023 18:33:49 GMT
Who are we rejecting, who are we allowed to reject and when we have rejected them and allowed to have rejected them why are we stopped from deporting them? Could you put a time and value on when the small boats will stop and what numbers will have arrived when they do? I cannot but I can see a neverending stream stretching far into the future. Immigration has destroyed the country as it is fractured and split along ethnic lines and identity is the most important thing for many which frequently includes ethnicity. There was a time it was fairly homogenous apart from a few misfits. Those days are gone and we are bowing to pressure to make things illegal that are part and parcel of the right of any individual in pursuit of his own welfare. Err, Albanians and others. If we were to set up immigration processing centres in France, which the French are happy to accommodate, boat crossings would become a thing of the past. The boat crossings are the only thing that actually limit the flow. The present barrier to claiming asylum in the UK is you have to take your life in your hands to cross the Channel and be able to afford to pay to cross the Channel. Remove the cost element and the danger and the numbers will increase astronomically.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 14, 2023 18:42:06 GMT
Is that the goalposts creaking I hear β¦β¦π The goalposts are creaking under your lack of understanding of the topic you are discussing. Oh the irony π
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Post by sandypine on Mar 14, 2023 20:17:12 GMT
Err, Albanians and others. If we were to set up immigration processing centres in France, which the French are happy to accommodate, boat crossings would become a thing of the past. The boat crossings are the only thing that actually limit the flow. The present barrier to claiming asylum in the UK is you have to take your life in your hands to cross the Channel and be able to afford to pay to cross the Channel. Remove the cost element and the danger and the numbers will increase astronomically. It does not matter how often the bleedin obvious is stated as regards what processing centres abroad would mean for the flow of 'refugees' to the UK there is a terminal blindness of many to see beyond the here and now as though tomorrow will not be a problem once these centres are set up.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 14, 2023 20:19:33 GMT
So Sandy you don't deny that the language tone was correctly described by Lineker As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. Yet if hundreds then descend on the loca town and council office, I think the council office might well describe it as an invasion.
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Post by Steve on Mar 14, 2023 23:25:15 GMT
The boat crossings are the only thing that actually limit the flow. The present barrier to claiming asylum in the UK is you have to take your life in your hands to cross the Channel and be able to afford to pay to cross the Channel. Remove the cost element and the danger and the numbers will increase astronomically. It does not matter how often the bleedin obvious is stated as regards what processing centres abroad would mean for the flow of 'refugees' to the UK there is a terminal blindness of many to see beyond the here and now as though tomorrow will not be a problem once these centres are set up. Surely the point of processing centres abroad is we can say 'no, you're already in a safe country, look out of the window' An issue here is France denies asylum if they've come through Germany (or Spain or Italy) and Germany denies asylum if they don't apply in 30 days of their first presence in Germany which the 'refugees' out of their own free will often don't do because they want to get to the UK for their personal benefit. Frankly Germany, France etc should be told to get their house in order before they dare criticize the UK.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 15, 2023 0:02:30 GMT
It does not matter how often the bleedin obvious is stated as regards what processing centres abroad would mean for the flow of 'refugees' to the UK there is a terminal blindness of many to see beyond the here and now as though tomorrow will not be a problem once these centres are set up. Surely the point of processing centres abroad is we can say 'no, you're already in a safe country, look out of the window' An issue here is France denies asylum if they've come through Germany (or Spain or Italy) and Germany denies asylum if they don't apply in 30 days of their first presence in Germany which the 'refugees' out of their own free will often don't do because they want to get to the UK for their personal benefit. Frankly Germany, France etc should be told to get their house in order before they dare criticize the UK. If the British government were as welcoming to immigrants as the EU are, they wouldn't cross the channel.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 9:26:37 GMT
So Sandy you don't deny that the language tone was correctly described by Lineker As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. No, an invasion force is 10s of thousands of well armed soldiers supported by ancillary staff and lines of supply arriving at a predetermined point with the intention of killing the defenders to gain access like the Russians are doing now 45,00 people arriving on dinghies, wet, cold, hungry, in fear of their lives and having lost everything over a period of one year does not qualify for the term invasion force. The Tories know exactly what they are doing using this language, it is designed to spread fear and hatred amongst the indigenous population and by all accounts the suckers are falling for it. These are the tactics of the Nazis prior to them gaining full power in Germany which enabled them to commit the most horrendous atrocities. Concentration camps came about after the rhetoric had done its job.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2023 9:39:44 GMT
As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. No, an invasion force is 10s of thousands of well armed soldiers supported by ancillary staff and lines of supply arriving at a predetermined point with the intention of killing the defenders to gain access like the Russians are doing now 45,00 people arriving on dinghies, wet, cold, hungry, in fear of their lives and having lost everything over a period of one year does not qualify for the term invasion force. The Tories know exactly what they are doing using this language, it is designed to spread fear and hatred amongst the indigenous population and by all accounts the suckers are falling for it. These are the tactics of the Nazis prior to them gaining full power in Germany which enabled them to commit the most horrendous atrocities. Concentration camps came about after the rhetoric had done its job. Post any official statement from 1940s Germany that alludes to invasions of migrants into Germany . You wonβt because there is none , you clown.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 15, 2023 9:42:54 GMT
As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. No, an invasion force is 10s of thousands of well armed soldiers supported by ancillary staff and lines of supply arriving at a predetermined point with the intention of killing the defenders to gain access like the Russians are doing now 45,00 people arriving on dinghies, wet, cold, hungry, in fear of their lives and having lost everything over a period of one year does not qualify for the term invasion force. The Tories know exactly what they are doing using this language, it is designed to spread fear and hatred amongst the indigenous population and by all accounts the suckers are falling for it. These are the tactics of the Nazis prior to them gaining full power in Germany which enabled them to commit the most horrendous atrocities. Concentration camps came about after the rhetoric had done its job. Now tell us how much they paid for the trip and mobile phones.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 15, 2023 9:44:50 GMT
Godwinβs law used to be a sign that the person using it was losing the argument . Now it seems to be the default political strategy for dishonest lefties and swivel eyed Putinbots.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2023 9:54:38 GMT
As someone who often complains about misrepresentation of posts, this appears to be one. When 45,765 people are arriving illegally in a year on rubber dinghies in the South of England, invasion is an appropriate word. If they arrived on the ferry or Eurostar, then claimed asylum, there overt presence would not be described in that way. I'm pleased that Labour voted against the Bill last night. Now watch their lead in the polls fall. No, an invasion force is 10s of thousands of well armed soldiers supported by ancillary staff and lines of supply arriving at a predetermined point with the intention of killing the defenders to gain access like the Russians are doing now 45,00 people arriving on dinghies, wet, cold, hungry, in fear of their lives and having lost everything over a period of one year does not qualify for the term invasion force. The Tories know exactly what they are doing using this language, it is designed to spread fear and hatred amongst the indigenous population and by all accounts the suckers are falling for it. These are the tactics of the Nazis prior to them gaining full power in Germany which enabled them to commit the most horrendous atrocities. Concentration camps came about after the rhetoric had done its job. You are using the term invasion force here. No one else has. You are mixing terms to try to make a non-existent point. I suppose you are one of these no borders types? 45,765 people is an invasion. Not to mention the ones which arrived undetected.
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