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Post by sandypine on Mar 12, 2023 14:22:20 GMT
Rubbish. I have every sympathy for refugees, genuine refugees. Sadly you and Linekar are doing nothing but harm to the plight of refugees. If you think the people who pay criminals to cross the channel to flee the hell of war torn France are refugees, then google Kutupalong refugee camp. Unlike the criminals who are crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. You have just bought into the rhetoric of hate that describes refugees as invaders and considers treating them as criminals the act of a patriot. Why would asylum seekers from Afghanistan et al only wish to seek safety in the UK. Seeking asylum can be sought in any country and once granted the refugee can make an application to be resettled in the UK. In the first instance it is about seeking a place of safety which is not a shopping expedition, it is a desperate need. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2023 16:33:12 GMT
So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. You have just bought into the rhetoric of hate that describes refugees as invaders and considers treating them as criminals the act of a patriot. Why would asylum seekers from Afghanistan et al only wish to seek safety in the UK. Seeking asylum can be sought in any country and once granted the refugee can make an application to be resettled in the UK. In the first instance it is about seeking a place of safety which is not a shopping expedition, it is a desperate need. They don't 'only' want to settle in the UK some Stay in France, Germany, mind you according to Braverman billions want to come here. đ Our army was fighting in Afghanistan and many Afghans now have ties with the UK, those that have not been shot, that is. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 17:15:46 GMT
Why would asylum seekers from Afghanistan et al only wish to seek safety in the UK. Seeking asylum can be sought in any country and once granted the refugee can make an application to be resettled in the UK. In the first instance it is about seeking a place of safety which is not a shopping expedition, it is a desperate need. They don't 'only' want to settle in the UK some Stay in France, Germany, mind you according to Braverman billions want to come here. đ Our army was fighting in Afghanistan and many Afghans now have ties with the UK, those that have not been shot, that is. I'll tell you how many want to come here, more than wewant and more than we can cope with. Whilst you think you are supporting these poor downtrodden people, the reality is you are supporting the industrialists who want to exploit them. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 12, 2023 18:23:12 GMT
Why would asylum seekers from Afghanistan et al only wish to seek safety in the UK. Seeking asylum can be sought in any country and once granted the refugee can make an application to be resettled in the UK. In the first instance it is about seeking a place of safety which is not a shopping expedition, it is a desperate need. They don't 'only' want to settle in the UK some Stay in France, Germany, mind you according to Braverman billions want to come here. đ Our army was fighting in Afghanistan and many Afghans now have ties with the UK, those that have not been shot, that is. I have some sympathy with Afghans even though a few become killers and rapists here. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 12, 2023 18:27:29 GMT
Why would asylum seekers from Afghanistan et al only wish to seek safety in the UK. Seeking asylum can be sought in any country and once granted the refugee can make an application to be resettled in the UK. In the first instance it is about seeking a place of safety which is not a shopping expedition, it is a desperate need. They don't 'only' want to settle in the UK some Stay in France, Germany, mind you according to Braverman billions want to come here. đ Our army was fighting in Afghanistan and many Afghans now have ties with the UK, those that have not been shot, that is. The army in Afghanistan was NATO and many Afghans have already been allowed refugee status here. The point is that asylum is usually visited upon the neighbours of any country. Britain took Huegenots ( I am not sure how many Iran and Syria took), Jews, Belgians, Dutch, French, Polish and many more. Now you want us to 'pull our weight' well we did and from those very countries through which the current invaders are passing. No good deed huh! Braverman said that on current rules about 100 million would be granted asylum in the UK if they could get here. I think her figures are a little low. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 20:34:15 GMT
Pacifico (and you) need to show there was no language in that video similar to anything Germany said in the 1930s. Can you? Like I said, that's nonsense. There will always be some similarities between two large, complex items like (say) the 'language used' in one entire nation and 'language used' in another entire nation. The question is whether a similarity is particular enough to warrant that particular comparison rather than any other. If it isn't, then the comparison is perhaps an attempt to smear by an association that holds for many / all things. Well remember the tweet allegation is language used by a nation not in a nation so that cuts it down. And it's not about forms of words it's about the significant content. Remember these two statements by her this week, both of which were shown by FullFAct to be emotive crap ? There are 100 million people around the world who could qualify for protection under our current laws, and they are âcoming hereâ.
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 21:05:24 GMT
Oh dear if it's so bad to make comparisons with 1930s Germany . . . . . .
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 21:35:54 GMT
There are 100 million people around the world who could qualify for protection under our current laws, and they are âcoming hereâ.
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âThere are 100 million people displaced around the world, and likely billions more eager to come here if possible.â Not particularly evocative of Nazi Germany or rhetoric used by Germany in the thirties. On the accuracy front, it looks correct to me. It highlights how daft the current policy is and one of the important functions of being realistic is to unearth and highlight daftness. So that's good - it's not wasted words One technique frequently used by abusers is to become absolutely hysterical each time someone tries to point out the obvious. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 22:54:32 GMT
Meantime there is talk of a resolution This?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 23:10:25 GMT
OK - this is the Braverman speech that Lineker took exception to. Can anyone care to cite the exact words in this vid that are redolent of Nazi Germany?.
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 23:21:58 GMT
That was just one part of it. His reaction to that video 'Good heavens, this is beyond awful.' was not what provoked the row
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 0:09:21 GMT
I don't have a problem with Gary Lineker having opinions and expressing them.
I have a problem with the overpaid wage he gets and the lack of comparable wages for women at the BBC.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 6:31:16 GMT
The BBC are backing down under the pressure of BBC Marxism - a project where the people are forced to pay for partisan political propaganda or face prosecution. " Tim Davie, the director-general, will now face criticism over the BBCâs commitment to impartiality and whether it can justify being funded by the licence fee." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/12/gary-lineker-return-match-day-bbc-bosses-back/There is no justification, but the BBC is too useful to the establishment so it will continue to threaten people for their money with full support from the law. Something that Labour supporters clearly support, where I and the good, honest and thoroughly decent people on this forum would much favour turning the BBC into a subscription service or just pull the plug. Also, this is not a free-speech argument. Those who are drooling over Gary do so for political reasons. They do not support free-speech for those they disagree with, which the good people on this forum already know.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2023 11:58:40 GMT
Forfar 4 - East Fife 5
Lineker 4 - BBC 0
That's how it has turned out. But I doubt it is the final score.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 13, 2023 12:03:17 GMT
The BBC are backing down under the pressure of BBC Marxism - a project where the people are forced to pay for partisan political propaganda or face prosecution. " Tim Davie, the director-general, will now face criticism over the BBCâs commitment to impartiality and whether it can justify being funded by the licence fee." www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/12/gary-lineker-return-match-day-bbc-bosses-back/There is no justification, but the BBC is too useful to the establishment so it will continue to threaten people for their money with full support from the law. Something that Labour supporters clearly support, where I and the good, honest and thoroughly decent people on this forum would much favour turning the BBC into a subscription service or just pull the plug. Also, this is not a free-speech argument. Those who are drooling over Gary do so for political reasons. They do not support free-speech for those they disagree with, which the good people on this forum already know.
His defenders do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to freedom of speech. From your link Having spent years calling cancel culture a myth, and calling free speech âfreeze peachâ for some peculiar reason, theyâve now all rushed to the barricades. What was the turning point? What made the scales fall from their eyes? Was it that autistic boy in Wakefield being sent death threats for committing âblasphemyâ? Was it the scores of gender-critical women sacked and shamed for believing in biological sex? No, it was the BBCâs decision to temporarily suspend Gary Lineker, alleging he breached impartiality rules when he took to Twitter to compare the Tory governmentâs Illegal Migration Bill with something out of Nazi Germany. Sums it up. |
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