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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 9:36:11 GMT
No they are not. Invaders are foreign forces intent on conquering a nation by force. You are demonising asylum seekers and refugees. Rubbish. I have every sympathy for refugees, genuine refugees. Sadly you and Linekar are doing nothing but harm to the plight of refugees. If you think the people who pay criminals to cross the channel to flee the hell of war torn France are refugees, then google Kutupalong refugee camp. Unlike the criminals who are crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. You have just bought into the rhetoric of hate that describes refugees as invaders and considers treating them as criminals the act of a patriot. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 9:43:57 GMT
So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? So you feel that people are crossing the English channel in small boats to escape dangers in France? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 9:46:40 GMT
Yes I am denying it. He compared the rhetoric not the policy. Then Cruella started talking about the Holocaust in order to distract from what he actually said. Its been going on a while,remember that nonsense about Judges being the enemy of the people? or leftie lawyers being against British people and not patriotic?,or certainly inferring that,all backed up by the extreme rightwing media,now they have control of the BBC,although i believe its been that way a long time. There are now people calling for the UK to withdraw from international human rights agreements. Something every dictator ever would approve of. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 9:49:05 GMT
So how are you going to work out who the genuine refugees are if you treat them as criminals as soon as they set foot on our shores? So you feel that people are crossing the English channel in small boats to escape dangers in France? I'll just put back the sentence you cropped from my post as an answer to your loaded question. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 9:56:55 GMT
There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. The objective of the asylum arrangement is to allow people to move away from danger, not to get then into the UK. Someone in a recognised dangerous place has a right to move away from that dangerous place, not a right to move as much as they need to enter the UK. You, like many others, seem to have added a large annex to the concept so it serves your political purposes. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 12, 2023 10:00:06 GMT
The migrants in France are already in a safe place . They just choose to go to a better place .
No matter how much the lefties try their mental gymnastics and obfuscation..that is a fact.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 10:00:08 GMT
There are no effective, safe, legal routes for asylum seekers to get here from places like Afghanistan, Somalia, Syria etc. The objective of the asylum arrangement is to allow people to move away from danger, not to get then into the UK. Someone in a recognised dangerous place has a right to move away from that dangerous place, not a right to move as much as they need to enter the UK. You, like many others, seem to have added a large annex to the concept so it serves your political purposes. Bingo! Many could find asylum in a neighbouring country without even crossing an ocean. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 12, 2023 10:27:51 GMT
The migrants in France are already in a safe place . They just choose to go to a better place . No matter how much the lefties try their mental gymnastics and obfuscation..that is a fact. It's a fact that twice as many stay in France than try to come to the UK. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 12, 2023 10:33:54 GMT
The migrants in France are already in a safe place . They just choose to go to a better place . No matter how much the lefties try their mental gymnastics and obfuscation..that is a fact. It's a fact that twice as many stay in France than try to come to the UK. So what? Please refer to my second sentence.👍 |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 10:35:42 GMT
The migrants in France are already in a safe place . They just choose to go to a better place . No matter how much the lefties try their mental gymnastics and obfuscation..that is a fact. It's a fact that twice as many stay in France than try to come to the UK. You would expect the vast majority of people, who are safely in France and who have no right to enter the UK, to stay in France. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 11:15:21 GMT
He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. I see. Well that's not what he said. Monte, your pissing into the wind. Just get some of reading age of at least 10 to read it to you and make sure they shout out the words 'in language' then maybe it'll sink in but sadly it likely wo't |
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 11:22:21 GMT
Here, in the video that so upset Lineker, is Braverman talking: “We are committed to helping those in need, like the hundreds of thousands of people we have supported from Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong in recent years. But it’s not fair that people who travel through a string of safe countries and then come to the UK illegally can jump the queue.”Apparently this is the type of thing they said in Germany in the 1930's..  How illogical and frankly disingenuous. You have to show there was no language in that video that was 'the type of thing they said in Germany in the 1930's'Best of luck with that |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 11:41:32 GMT
How illogical and frankly disingenuous. You have to show there was no language in that video that was 'the type of thing they said in Germany in the 1930's'Best of luck with that No. That's completely wrong. If I compare you to (say) Adolf Hitler, I can't justify the statement by noting that you both drank water or that you both believed in building motorways. A statement has an intention and somebody drawing a comparison with Germany in the run up to Nazi rule, is clearly trying to draw a comparison with some aspect of Nazi Germany that is not commonly shared by anything else. If you really feel using negative incentives to dissuade an the illicit ingress of people is really sensibly akin to Nazism, then you maybe need to catch up a bit on the history of 2Oc. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 12, 2023 13:11:36 GMT
How illogical and frankly disingenuous. You have to show there was no language in that video that was 'the type of thing they said in Germany in the 1930's'Best of luck with that No. That's completely wrong. If I compare you to (say) Adolf Hitler, I can't justify the statement by noting that you both drank water or that you both believed in building motorways. A statement has an intention and somebody drawing a comparison with Germany in the run up to Nazi rule, is clearly trying to draw a comparison with some aspect of Nazi Germany that is not commonly shared by anything else. If you really feel using negative incentives to dissuade an the illicit ingress of people is really sensibly akin to Nazism, then you maybe need to catch up a bit on the history of 2Oc. Not at all If I was to post: 'Magarathea nearly always posts utter crap but Mags was good in the song line thread' then according to Pacifico's logic I would not have said anything bad about you. But I clearly wold have. Pacifico (and you) need to show there was no language in that video similar to anything Germany said in the 1930s. Can you? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 12, 2023 13:27:54 GMT
Pacifico (and you) need to show there was no language in that video similar to anything Germany said in the 1930s. Can you? Like I said, that's nonsense. There will always be some similarities between two large, complex items like (say) the 'language used' in one entire nation and 'language used' in another entire nation. The question is whether a similarity is particular enough to warrant that particular comparison rather than any other. If it isn't, then the comparison is perhaps an attempt to smear by an association that holds for many / all things. |
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