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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 11, 2023 20:57:02 GMT
No I don't and neither did Lineker. No one said it is like 1930s Germany in the UK today. That's just Cruella distorting what he said. I do see parallels in the rhetoric though. When she said that her policy of criminalising asylum seekers was ''patriotic'' it made my skin crawl. Monte, Linekar compared government policy to 1930's Germany. Are you denying this? Yes I am denying it. He compared the rhetoric not the policy. Then Cruella started talking about the Holocaust in order to distract from what he actually said. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 21:04:58 GMT
Comparing the admission of the basic requirement for a nation to have an enforced border with 'Nazi rhetoric', is just absurd.
It's an attempt to semantically criminalise the notion that the UK people have a right to a nation at all.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 21:06:02 GMT
Monte, Linekar compared government policy to 1930's Germany. Are you denying this? Yes I am denying it. He compared the rhetoric not the policy. Then Cruella started talking about the Holocaust in order to distract from what he actually said. Oh ffs sake stop it. He compared the governments immigration plans to Nazi Germany. Just for accuracy he said, and I quote... This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930's. Monte just to clarify, in 1930's Germany that nice Mr Hitler and his Nazi's were running concentration camps and persecuting Jews. What do you think Lineker might have been eluding to? |
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 11, 2023 21:21:12 GMT
Yes I am denying it. He compared the rhetoric not the policy. Then Cruella started talking about the Holocaust in order to distract from what he actually said. Oh ffs sake stop it. He compared the governments immigration plans to Nazi Germany. Just for accuracy he said, and I quote... This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930's. Monte just to clarify, in 1930's Germany that nice Mr Hitler and his Nazi's were running concentration camps and persecuting Jews. What do you think Lineker might have been eluding to? He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 21:27:54 GMT
Oh ffs sake stop it. He compared the governments immigration plans to Nazi Germany. Just for accuracy he said, and I quote... This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930's. Monte just to clarify, in 1930's Germany that nice Mr Hitler and his Nazi's were running concentration camps and persecuting Jews. What do you think Lineker might have been eluding to? He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. Everyone with a political position thinks their opposition is 'hateful and divisive'. Technically people who enter the country without our permission are invaders |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 21:28:34 GMT
Oh ffs sake stop it. He compared the governments immigration plans to Nazi Germany. Just for accuracy he said, and I quote... This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930's. Monte just to clarify, in 1930's Germany that nice Mr Hitler and his Nazi's were running concentration camps and persecuting Jews. What do you think Lineker might have been eluding to? He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. I see. Well that's not what he said. Monte, your pissing into the wind. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 21:32:34 GMT
Perhaps the left will press and press on this and the only solution will be for the BBC to close down
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Post by Montegriffo on Mar 11, 2023 21:37:03 GMT
He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. Everyone with a political position thinks their opposition is 'hateful and divisive'. Technically people who enter the country without our permission are invadersNo they are not. Invaders are foreign forces intent on conquering a nation by force. You are demonising asylum seekers and refugees. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 11, 2023 21:45:01 GMT
Oh ffs sake stop it. He compared the governments immigration plans to Nazi Germany. Just for accuracy he said, and I quote... This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 1930's. Monte just to clarify, in 1930's Germany that nice Mr Hitler and his Nazi's were running concentration camps and persecuting Jews. What do you think Lineker might have been eluding to? He was alluding to the language of division and hate. Referring to asylum seekers as invaders etc. no he wasn't he was trying to be clever but fucked up large...the point being that when you drop the H bomb you loose the fucking argument because it's just trolling....Lineker doesn't give a shit coz his agent can make money on this.....you just sound like an idiot latching onto the con
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 11, 2023 21:46:45 GMT
Everyone with a political position thinks their opposition is 'hateful and divisive'. Technically people who enter the country without our permission are invadersNo they are not. Invaders are foreign forces intent on conquering a nation by force. You are demonising asylum seekers and refugees. Rubbish. I have every sympathy for refugees, genuine refugees. Sadly you and Linekar are doing nothing but harm to the plight of refugees. If you think the people who pay criminals to cross the channel to flee the hell of war torn France are refugees, then google Kutupalong refugee camp. Unlike the criminals who are crossing the channel, those poor sods are genuine refugees. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 11, 2023 21:47:51 GMT
Everyone with a political position thinks their opposition is 'hateful and divisive'. Technically people who enter the country without our permission are invadersNo they are not. Invaders are foreign forces intent on conquering a nation by force. You are demonising asylum seekers and refugees. No. The word includes this meaning but is not limited to it. I'm intrigued by the notion that these people are being supposedly demonised by accurately describing what they are doing |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 12, 2023 0:34:46 GMT
No it doesn't. It means, if you work for the BBC and are a publicly recognisable figure, you have to keep a substantial part of your private opinions, to yourself. I think everyone understands this, but those who seem to hate this country do seem to be incredibly dishonest. It's like I said earlier, people can still follow him around and nobody is trying to silence him on Twitter or elsewhere. It was the fact that he was repetitively spreading political propaganda whilst believing he's above everyone else at the BBC (an egotistic hypocritie and, erm, git).
Brendan, who is more genuinely liberal than everyone at the BBC combined, may educate him:
I agree, good link. |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 12, 2023 8:02:09 GMT
Since the war in Syria, with the tyrant Assad being backed by Putin, and the larger Arab Spring sold as the western democratisation of countries under the control of Musslim theocracies which agitated unrest in countries previously living in relative peace, people who come from countries the west disturbed have been consistently demonised as "the enemy" when in fact many are fleeing despots they dared to defy.
And both Ukrainians and those from Hong Kong have easy safe routes into Europe.
White and culturally closer to the west.
People of Arab background have been described as endless lines of dirty beggars carrying sacks of all they have, as invaders implying an effort to conquer and displace the resident population, endless stories about Islam designed to create images of cruelty, mistreatment of women and terrorism, to construct a kneejerk impression of Arabs as dangerous and "the other".
All this was done in the 1930's German political and cultural world. The people were being softened up to hatred by the deliberate use of words designed to dehumanise Jews and other minorities. Words like "invasion" describe an enemy coming in a direction to do harm.
Consistant upping numbers and using veiled language suggesting a serious threat to the identity of the UK is exactly what was in constant use by 1930's German government.
If these suggestive references are not stopped, the next things right wing bigots will do is target homes and businesses...like the attack on the refugee centre earlier.
When a well known figure publically describes who he would and would not want to live next door to, and names an entire nationality while accepting those British families who include drug dealers, theft, domestic abuse and generally unsocial behaviour would be better, is another way to identify "the enemy".
There are elements of 1930's German thinking in the air all the time. It needs exposing for what it is.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 8:10:54 GMT
Here, in the video that so upset Lineker, is Braverman talking: “We are committed to helping those in need, like the hundreds of thousands of people we have supported from Ukraine, Afghanistan and Hong Kong in recent years. But it’s not fair that people who travel through a string of safe countries and then come to the UK illegally can jump the queue.”Apparently this is the type of thing they said in Germany in the 1930's..  |
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Post by sword on Mar 12, 2023 9:35:34 GMT
Monte, Linekar compared government policy to 1930's Germany. Are you denying this? Yes I am denying it. He compared the rhetoric not the policy. Then Cruella started talking about the Holocaust in order to distract from what he actually said. Its been going on a while,remember that nonsense about Judges being the enemy of the people? or leftie lawyers being against British people and not patriotic?,or certainly inferring that,all backed up by the extreme rightwing media,now they have control of the BBC,although i believe its been that way a long time. |
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