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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 18:25:18 GMT
thats democracy . We implemetend the result in 2014 , and now we go again. Whats the problem? Incorrect. It's a total betrayel of democracy and absolute disrespect toward the decision made by the people of Scotland. everyone in the civilised world outside of brexiter la la land knows how democracy is a never endum . If you dont like scottish indy , then you need to hope scottish indy parties dont win mandates , we have five mandates and counting.
If you dont want the eu , you need to hope brexiter parties win the next uk GE .It isnt looking likely but if you do win it again , you keep us out the eu for a while more until the next election.
Whats the matter mate? No stomach for democracy , or stamina for a political fight? I tell you you brexiters are a weak lot arent you?
All puff and wind , and easily deflated in five minutes whinging about taking the ball home as you cant handle potentially losing when you play.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 8, 2023 18:28:52 GMT
The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. i accept democracy. You hold a vote , implement that vote , then once implemented , move on and campaign for the next vote. What part of that democracy do you not understand? Thats the point - you are unable to move on. I was on the losing side in 1975 - I didnt spend every day for the next 7 years complaining about it though..  |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 18:31:13 GMT
You don't half come out with some bollocks, Thomas.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 18:31:54 GMT
Incorrect. It's a total betrayel of democracy and absolute disrespect toward the decision made by the people of Scotland. Also, the UK is the only power that can implement the decision. everyone in the civilised world outside of brexiter la la land knows how democracy is a never endum . If you dont like scottish indy , then you need to hope scottish indy parties dont win mandates , we have five mandates and counting.
If you dont want the eu , you need to hope brexiter parties win the next uk GE .It isnt looking likely but if you do win it again , you keep us out the eu for a while more until the next election.
Whats the matter mate? No stomach for democracy , or stamina for a political fight? I tell you you brexiters are a weak lot arent you?
All puff and wind , and easily deflated in five minutes whinging about taking the ball home as you cant handle potentially losing when you play.
I don't think you're qualified to even understand the basics, considering you have responded with the usual ad hominem response toward a valid statement of fact. However, I will point out that a referendum in our representative democracy is once in a lifetime, as seen by the number of referendums we've had in regards to the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:53:44 GMT
Speaking of our Jockenese friends from the northern reaches of the British Empire  , where's JD of late? I hope all is well at JD Towers. I think his case of verbal diarrhoea became terminal, his heroine flounced and, well, that's that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 19:56:47 GMT
The Brexit deal for Northern Ireland is another UK insult to Scotland
After all, if Northern Ireland will be the envy of the world because it has access to both EU and UK markets, why can’t Scotland – which also voted to remain in the EU – have that same access?
In fact, come to think of it, why did the UK rob itself of that access to European markets which Sunak depicts as such an advantage?
The denial of Scotland’s case for a better Brexit deal isn’t just another example of Westminster intransigence – it’s evidence that Scotland can never get what it needs while it remains within the Union.
To convince the Scottish people of that case will take the best possible leader of the SNP and a united effort involving the whole Yes movement.
Let’s take the opportunity of forging that partnership afresh.
I'm sure Rishi will apologise for this terrible hurt, soon, Thomas! More twisted reasoning from the resident separatist. 🙄 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 8, 2023 20:10:40 GMT
Speaking of our Jockenese friends from the northern reaches of the British Empire , where's JD of late? I hope all is well at JD Towers. I think his case of verbal diarrhoea became terminal, his heroine flounced and, well, that's that. You may think JD is a difficult man to like, and I understand that. But everyone has a story and if you knew his story, I think your opinion might change. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 21:36:53 GMT
After being insulted by him frequently, and facing anti English diatribes by him, despite trying to be nice, he went on the attack as far back as 2013/14. Can't say I ever got on with him.
But, I don't wish him dead.
If he's gone and met the inevitable? RIP.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 10:54:46 GMT
i accept democracy. You hold a vote , implement that vote , then once implemented , move on and campaign for the next vote. What part of that democracy do you not understand? Thats the point - you are unable to move on. I was on the losing side in 1975 - I didnt spend every day for the next 7 years complaining about it though.. i dont need to move on . Im perfectly free in a democracy to accept the result , have it implemented , and then carry on campaigning for my political point of view. Same as you were post 1975 .
Moaning that counter views to your political view are "whinging " isnt going to shut down debate nor save brexit from the political mauling its going to get at the next general election.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 10:56:50 GMT
You don't half come out with some bollocks, Thomas. what is it you dont understand or disagree with now vinny? The workings of democracy?
The game goes on mate , regardless of wether anti democrats like you accept it or not.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 9, 2023 11:01:40 GMT
Democracy is voting and a vote being honoured.
You have from the day you lost in 2014 been hankering for another vote and another and another and another, but only until you get your way, in which case there won't be more votes. That is not how democracy works.
I am consistent, when a generation has passed there should be another referendum.
And that, is 20 years.
You have 11 to go.
I am a democrat.
I support there being another referendum on Scottish separatism in 2034.
And I support there being one addressing the question of EU membership in 2036.
You are not a democrat.
You want your cake and eat it, every time.
And you hate English people.
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Post by om15 on Mar 9, 2023 11:07:24 GMT
I'm over the moon with democracy, it means that we are out of the European Union and that we don't have a socialist Government. But there again, I am in the majority (obviously).
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 11:07:58 GMT
everyone in the civilised world outside of brexiter la la land knows how democracy is a never endum . If you dont like scottish indy , then you need to hope scottish indy parties dont win mandates , we have five mandates and counting.
If you dont want the eu , you need to hope brexiter parties win the next uk GE .It isnt looking likely but if you do win it again , you keep us out the eu for a while more until the next election.
Whats the matter mate? No stomach for democracy , or stamina for a political fight? I tell you you brexiters are a weak lot arent you?
All puff and wind , and easily deflated in five minutes whinging about taking the ball home as you cant handle potentially losing when you play.
I don't think you're qualified to even understand the basics, considering you have responded with the usual ad hominem response toward a valid statement of fact. However, I will point out that a referendum in our representative democracy is once in a lifetime, as seen by the number of referendums we've had in regards to the EU. There has been two referendums on the EEC/EU in my lifetime , and three referendums on scottish devolution/independence alone. Not counting the av referendum. So what on earth are you talking about regarding referendums being once in a lifetime?
Its clear you and some of your "ilk" dont have a clue what democracy is. We go from vague definitions of what once in a generation is , to now once in a lifetime.
Too much democracy is never a bad thing. Im not sure why you fear peoples opinions at the ballot box. Could it be becuase you cant handle losing?
Winning and losing is all a part of democracy , as you are going to find out at the next general election. You have to take the good with the bad , rather than whinging about people potentially voting against what you support.
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 11:08:28 GMT
I'm over the moon with democracy, it means that we are out of the European Union and that we don't have a socialist Government. But there again, I am in the majority (obviously). good for you om. Enjoy it while it lasts.......... |
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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 11:10:26 GMT
Democracy is voting and a vote being honoured. the vote was held , and finally honoured. Now we go again vinny.
You cant keep trying to put anti democratic shackles on peoples right to vote mate simply because you fear the mass sea change in peoples opinions against the disaster that has been brexit.
You have over promised , and under delivered , and you are now being judged on that failure.
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, where's JD of late? I hope all is well at JD Towers. 
