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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 17:21:34 GMT
Says the man still trying to make out that Brexit was to do with Russia, rather than our experience of membership and repeated unwanted treaty changes. We're Maastricht Rebels Thomas. Not Russian agents. The Maastricht Rebellion was the natural response of the majority to turn away from Europhiles like you, who were trying to force shit on the rest of us we didn't want, all because selfish YOU wanted something. And you were costing OUR country £9bn a year for that something we didn't want, or need. You Europhiles could have had a compromise, EFTA+EEA but your bruised egos wouldn't have it. The more i delve into farage and the tory party brexiters dodgy dealings with moscow vinny , and read your posts on here , the more im suspecting about you and what you are up to.
is your real name Винсент ?
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 8, 2023 17:35:07 GMT
It's the Scots you need to convince not us. Not quite true in terms of eu membership pacifico. Keir starmer isnt exactly the best labour leader i have seen in my life, but he does look as though he is doing a sterling job in the polls.
The upshot of keir , an out and out pro european being the next pm , advised by of course arch europhile peter mandelson , will be to take us all back into the EU.
Think of it like the second world war , and the end days of the nazi regime as they were being attacked on all sides by the allies to the west and red army to the east...... 
Less than two years at most i believe? possibly a year in june? Thats democracy - you know, that thing you have spent the last 7 years bitching about..  |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 8, 2023 17:38:03 GMT
Not quite true in terms of eu membership pacifico. Keir starmer isnt exactly the best labour leader i have seen in my life, but he does look as though he is doing a sterling job in the polls.
The upshot of keir , an out and out pro european being the next pm , advised by of course arch europhile peter mandelson , will be to take us all back into the EU.
Think of it like the second world war , and the end days of the nazi regime as they were being attacked on all sides by the allies to the west and red army to the east......
Less than two years at most i believe? possibly a year in june? Thats democracy - you know, that thing you have spent the last 7 years bitching about.. And will still be bitching in 7 years time. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 17:41:24 GMT
sure i get that. I know you dont speak for pacifico , and vice versa , but i sure get confused about the discrepancies in opinion between tory brexiters on the current situation of brexit in norn ireland.
You say the 6 counties are a "special case" i dont disagree . Pacifico say nothing to see here move on , lets bury rishi the remainers sell out of a consituent part of the uk .
Like i said mate , the tories have done more for northern irelands independence (and of course scotland) that either sinn fein or the snp . Well done.
I for one am not against statues being put up to thatcher and johnson in george square for services to the indy cause bentley. We can even throw in a special visa card for you to come and see them , proper drink in a pub and none of that warm beer shite you heathens drink and all that.
you arent? you mean brexit wasnt "freedom and independence" from the EU? What was all the fuss about then , and why the vote?
good idea. We could call ourselves the scottish and european union party? Love it mate.
I agree that you get confused . i do bentley. You and your mates weave such a web of deceit i dont think you can keep up never mind anyone else.
The fact they havent rushed out to embrace rishi the remainers dodgy protocl deal tells everyone all they need to know.
1. They dont trust the tory backstabbers.
2. They have already identified key elements they dont like
3. They are drawing up a task force team to peruse the tory lies , before commiting to denouncing it.
I have all the time in the world to wait ........you dont mate. The general election is fast approaching , and sir keir will take the issue firmly under hand.
I didnt say it was. It was all about all the pros of the single market , and non of the cons like the four freedoms etc. Cakeism for short , which you havent got as everybody outside brexiter la la land knew.
and now immigration is worse outisde the eu than in , with tory politicians like david davis telling us that the home office isnt fit for purpose and cant do its job. We saw that with the tens thousands of albanians , never mind the hordes from elsewhere rishi is letting in daily.
im a european. Why wouldnt i want freedom of movement with the rest of europe? Really is a strange concept.
except northern ireland , you know the 6 county part of the uk still in the eu , and different from the rest of us. i tell you its a laugh a minute listening to brexiters warble on . When our president joe biden and ursula von der leyen says jump , london says how high.
thats the difference between my civic nationalism , which includes being a european , and your isolationist xenophobic brexiter nationalism , and fantasy return of empire schtick. We want to be part of the fantastic european order , and be internationalist , you want to stay home in blighty playing with toy redcoats wishing it were 1812.
our treasure?
I thought you anglos tell us you sibsidise us , now you admit jaydee has a point when he talks about scotlands treasure englands elite needs and covets?
I tell you bentley , you need to make up your minds and get your story straight mate.
does scottish ribbing you at sport bother you that much? As i always say , the big teams focus on winnig things , the englishman looks over his shoulder to see how the mighty scotland does , and hangs on our every word.
you dont need our approval mate. It s only piss taking!!!
see thats the anglo saxon mindset. master and servant every time.
As a scottish internaitonalist and europhile , i prefer to look at things like sharing sovereignty with my european friends , and common bonding with my fellow europeans in peace and happiness under our european parliament.
You know ive always wondered if our reltionsip to europe and our difference in attitude is steeped in history , where the europeans were our friends , and your ancient enemies?
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 17:42:44 GMT
Not quite true in terms of eu membership pacifico. Keir starmer isnt exactly the best labour leader i have seen in my life, but he does look as though he is doing a sterling job in the polls.
The upshot of keir , an out and out pro european being the next pm , advised by of course arch europhile peter mandelson , will be to take us all back into the EU.
Think of it like the second world war , and the end days of the nazi regime as they were being attacked on all sides by the allies to the west and red army to the east......
Less than two years at most i believe? possibly a year in june? Thats democracy - you know, that thing you have spent the last 7 years bitching about.. democracy is a never endum which swings to and fro. Youve had your fun brexters , pipe down now , keir has it all under control. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 17:44:48 GMT
Thats democracy - you know, that thing you have spent the last 7 years bitching about.. And will still be bitching in 7 years time. Scot on a scottish thread talking about scotland in europe and comparing it to norn ireland in europe is bitching , while all these foreign anglos coming on to whine about scotland isnt bitching? 
Brexiters stretch the truth that much words are starting to have no meaning anymore.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 8, 2023 17:53:53 GMT
Thats democracy - you know, that thing you have spent the last 7 years bitching about.. . Youve had your fun brexters , pipe down now , keir has it all under control. The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 18:00:00 GMT
democracy is a never endum which swings to and fro. Youve had your fun brexters , pipe down now , keir has it all under control. The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. i accept democracy. You hold a vote , implement that vote , then once implemented , move on and campaign for the next vote. What part of that democracy do you not understand? |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 8, 2023 18:04:19 GMT
I agree that you get confused . i do bentley. You and your mates weave such a web of deceit i dont think you can keep up never mind anyone else.
The fact they havent rushed out to embrace rishi the remainers dodgy protocl deal tells everyone all they need to know.
1. They dont trust the tory backstabbers.
2. They have already identified key elements they dont like
3. They are drawing up a task force team to peruse the tory lies , before commiting to denouncing it.
I have all the time in the world to wait ........you dont mate. The general election is fast approaching , and sir keir will take the issue firmly under hand.
I didnt say it was. It was all about all the pros of the single market , and non of the cons like the four freedoms etc. Cakeism for short , which you havent got as everybody outside brexiter la la land knew.
and now immigration is worse outisde the eu than in , with tory politicians like david davis telling us that the home office isnt fit for purpose and cant do its job. We saw that with the tens thousands of albanians , never mind the hordes from elsewhere rishi is letting in daily.
im a european. Why wouldnt i want freedom of movement with the rest of europe? Really is a strange concept.
except northern ireland , you know the 6 county part of the uk still in the eu , and different from the rest of us. i tell you its a laugh a minute listening to brexiters warble on . When our president joe biden and ursula von der leyen says jump , london says how high.
thats the difference between my civic nationalism , which includes being a european , and your isolationist xenophobic brexiter nationalism , and fantasy return of empire schtick. We want to be part of the fantastic european order , and be internationalist , you want to stay home in blighty playing with toy redcoats wishing it were 1812.
our treasure?
I thought you anglos tell us you sibsidise us , now you admit jaydee has a point when he talks about scotlands treasure englands elite needs and covets?
I tell you bentley , you need to make up your minds and get your story straight mate.
does scottish ribbing you at sport bother you that much? As i always say , the big teams focus on winnig things , the englishman looks over his shoulder to see how the mighty scotland does , and hangs on our every word.
you dont need our approval mate. It s only piss taking!!!
see thats the anglo saxon mindset. master and servant every time.
As a scottish internaitonalist and europhile , i prefer to look at things like sharing sovereignty with my european friends , and common bonding with my fellow europeans in peace and happiness under our european parliament.
You know ive always wondered if our reltionsip to europe and our difference in attitude is steeped in history , where the europeans were our friends , and your ancient enemies?
You are getting confused again by imagining everyone who voted for Brexit as one entity . If you can’t keep up that’s probably why. As I said”Lets see what the DUP does before we decide how things will pan out in NI.” Your speculation isn’t reality..it’s your speculation. You pretty much implied that Brexit was about cutting the UK from the EU and now you are back peddling . Noted . Migration is still a problem . That doesn’t mean it wasn’t a problem when we were in the EU. Not sure what you are getting at there. And in one swift move you contradict your claim that you didn’t say Brexit was not about cutting ourselves off from the EU..YOU “your isolationist xenophobic brexiter nationalism , and fantasy return of empire schtick.” Maybe you were confused ..again. And now the very confused man gets even more confused . You imagine every English person is the same entity YOU” I thought you anglos tell us you sibsidise us “ “need to make up your minds and get your story straight mate.”oh dear 😁 Its piss taking to us too but no Englishman that I know has been petty enough to say ‘ anyone but the Scots ’. Maybe us English are generally better than that ..yeah that must be it . Nope . The Scots are generally servile . What other ethnic group would be proud of going out to war with a skirt and no pants ? The UK wants a good relationship with the UK but not be controlled by them . The Scot Nats ( not all Scots) want a new master . |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 18:10:05 GMT
democracy is a never endum which swings to and fro. Youve had your fun brexters , pipe down now , keir has it all under control. The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. Even after they lost indydef the SNP were demanding another referendum immediately afterwards. People were pissing themselves laughing over it and calling them out as fascists (genuine). |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 18:13:47 GMT
democracy is a never endum which swings to and fro. Youve had your fun brexters , pipe down now , keir has it all under control. The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. Exactly. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 18:16:06 GMT
i do bentley. You and your mates weave such a web of deceit i dont think you can keep up never mind anyone else.
The fact they havent rushed out to embrace rishi the remainers dodgy protocl deal tells everyone all they need to know.
1. They dont trust the tory backstabbers.
2. They have already identified key elements they dont like
3. They are drawing up a task force team to peruse the tory lies , before commiting to denouncing it.
I have all the time in the world to wait ........you dont mate. The general election is fast approaching , and sir keir will take the issue firmly under hand.
I didnt say it was. It was all about all the pros of the single market , and non of the cons like the four freedoms etc. Cakeism for short , which you havent got as everybody outside brexiter la la land knew.
and now immigration is worse outisde the eu than in , with tory politicians like david davis telling us that the home office isnt fit for purpose and cant do its job. We saw that with the tens thousands of albanians , never mind the hordes from elsewhere rishi is letting in daily.
im a european. Why wouldnt i want freedom of movement with the rest of europe? Really is a strange concept.
except northern ireland , you know the 6 county part of the uk still in the eu , and different from the rest of us. i tell you its a laugh a minute listening to brexiters warble on . When our president joe biden and ursula von der leyen says jump , london says how high.
thats the difference between my civic nationalism , which includes being a european , and your isolationist xenophobic brexiter nationalism , and fantasy return of empire schtick. We want to be part of the fantastic european order , and be internationalist , you want to stay home in blighty playing with toy redcoats wishing it were 1812.
our treasure?
I thought you anglos tell us you sibsidise us , now you admit jaydee has a point when he talks about scotlands treasure englands elite needs and covets?
I tell you bentley , you need to make up your minds and get your story straight mate.
does scottish ribbing you at sport bother you that much? As i always say , the big teams focus on winnig things , the englishman looks over his shoulder to see how the mighty scotland does , and hangs on our every word.
you dont need our approval mate. It s only piss taking!!!
see thats the anglo saxon mindset. master and servant every time.
As a scottish internaitonalist and europhile , i prefer to look at things like sharing sovereignty with my european friends , and common bonding with my fellow europeans in peace and happiness under our european parliament.
You know ive always wondered if our reltionsip to europe and our difference in attitude is steeped in history , where the europeans were our friends , and your ancient enemies?
You are getting confused again by imagining everyone who voted for Brexit as one entity . If you can’t keep up that’s probably why. im talking to you. I dont believe brexiters are one entity in terms of what they want , and i have already explained brexit was a blank piece of paper brexiters could say meant what ever they wanted. However you all did appear to agree with the red lines set out didnt you?
its the red lines i cant keep up with , one minute ,set in stone not to be overturned ,the next brexiters are overturning them .I dont thin kyou know what yoy want yourslves.
ive igored the subsequent waffle , perhaps you could put tsomething into a coherent point , but regarding migration , im saying leving the eu hasnt solved mibgration issues , it appears to have made them worse from what im reading and seeing?
im not confused. Are you now backtracking and telling me you now dont believe england subsidises scotland? See what i mean? all fucking over the place.
why not? i say the opposite about you. you honestly think any scot is bothered enough to care what some morris dancing surrender monkey says about anyone but scotland? I actually take it as a compliment , that you care enough to worry about us slagging you off , and care enough to worry about wether we think you petty if you say anyone but scotland.
Its funny as fuck.
you will be mate. we are coming up to the thousandth anniversay of the last time the europeans controlled and conquered england. so much so today you still speak 45 % french in your language , 30 % german , and 15 % danish.
Embrace the eu mate , its the future. 
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 18:16:52 GMT
The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. Even after they lost indydef the SNP were demanding another referendum immediately afterwards. People were pissing themselves laughing over it and calling them out as fascists (genuine). thats democracy . We implemetend the result in 2014 , and now we go again. Whats the problem? |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 18:18:58 GMT
The difference between you and me is that I accept democracy - you cannot. Exactly. so dont you want another general election to be held , and if the winners want to take you back in the eu they can cant they? Thats democracy.
Its like playing football with brexiters. They scored a goal in 2016 , then wanted to stop the game , and take the ball home in case we scored a goal back. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 18:20:43 GMT
Even after they lost indydef the SNP were demanding another referendum immediately afterwards. People were pissing themselves laughing over it and calling them out as fascists (genuine). thats democracy . We implemetend the result in 2014 , and now we go again. Whats the problem? Incorrect. It's a total betrayel of democracy and absolute disrespect toward the decision made by the people of Scotland. Also, the UK is the only power that can implement the decision. |
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