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Post by thomas on Mar 9, 2023 11:15:02 GMT
Cant see the tories turning this around now. Sunak is despised , and they have made too many mistakes and too much of a mess that people have now run out of patience with them.
I saw an interview with tory david davis talking about the migration crises and how it was all the tory government and home office fault , as one example of public perception of where the tories have let their voting base down.
Time is running out , and of course with rishi selling norn ireland out , with much of the fall out still to come, i think they are sinking fast.
Tam, a Labour landslide! Not a snowballs chance in hell. The best a Starmer led Labour party can hope for is a hung parliament. But if Sunak stops illegal cross channel immigration from the EU, and believe me that's what people want, then I suspect Tory prospects may improve by election day. Red who knows? you could very well be right. Personally speaking , and im not a betting man , i wouldnt put any money on the tories coming back from the state they are in at present.
The snp are infighting , tories the same and in a complete mess , the stars really do seem to be aligning for starmer incredibly.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 12:28:57 GMT
Well I support the SDP - but I was more interested in this idea that we have had conservatism. What leads you to believe this? After all it's certainly not in the areas of tax policy, public spending, immigration, trade or health. Where is the conservatism? The Conservatives are held back by laws and circumstances at the moment. You will be reintroduced to their nastiness just as soon as conditions return to anything like normal. What nastiness?- the Tories have been in power for the last 13 years so how were they nasty to you? |
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Post by borchester on Mar 9, 2023 14:19:06 GMT
The Conservatives are held back by laws and circumstances at the moment. You will be reintroduced to their nastiness just as soon as conditions return to anything like normal. What nastiness?- the Tories have been in power for the last 13 years so how were they nasty to you? They weren't, but the Scottish Independence as away with the songs of yesteryear and Tommy is determined to find someone else to blame.
I don't know what the fuss is about. Try as I might, I can't see that Starmer has done anything controversial.He won't give Scotland independence and he won't take the UK back into the EU, so generally speaking he will do until a better man turns up.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2023 17:02:42 GMT
Good point. Does anyone actually know what the Conservatives represent anymore.
I guess you are looking for an even bigger wealth gap, with the poor perhaps remembering to doth their caps and accept a gift of left over food on boxing day. Happy times. Thats easy - the same policies as New Labour. It doesn't matter who you vote for you still get all the same guff. But what do you want? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 17:42:32 GMT
Thats easy - the same policies as New Labour. It doesn't matter who you vote for you still get all the same guff. But what do you want? Energy independence, reduced migration, lower taxes, lower welfare spending, more domestically produced food, increased defence spending, scrap HS2 and scrap Net Zero Law. That will do for now..  |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 9, 2023 17:47:10 GMT
Thats easy - the same policies as New Labour. It doesn't matter who you vote for you still get all the same guff. But what do you want? ...and what do you want and how will you get it? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 9, 2023 18:37:28 GMT
Energy independence, reduced migration, lower taxes, lower welfare spending, more domestically produced food, increased defence spending, scrap HS2 and scrap Net Zero Law. That will do for now.. Its a good start. We agree on. reduce immigration, increased defence spending, scrap Hs2. The rest, not so much. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 18:50:59 GMT
For anyone still under the (mistaken) belief that the Tory's are any different from the Labour Party...   |
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Post by dodgydave on Mar 10, 2023 1:56:15 GMT
Firstly, who do you think you are calling people with different opinions "twats"? Laughably you think you are on the moral side, and you use language like that lol. I suggest you spend some time actually researching the history of the Labour party, and the structure of it. Starmer is ignoring party democracy and behaving like a dictator. He has broke all his election pledges, he ignores local democracy and inserts his own crony candidates, and he flip flops his position not to match the democratic views of the Labour membership... but on some bizarre "we must get elected at all costs" populism... when the idiot is going to win by default anyway. I voted for Blair three times because he actually stood for something. All Starmer seems to stand for is being PM, and he is prepared to shit all over his own party and the Labour movement to get it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 10, 2023 7:55:10 GMT
Worth a read to see what a Starmer Government believes in... "Those of us who see through the Starmer facade however, can quickly see it’s another instance of him being too clever by half. After all this is the man who led the campaign for a “Second Referendum” on EU membership, who hawked his way round Brussels and other European capitals intent on urging the EU to be as tough and as difficult as possible with the UK in its negotiations to leave it, assuring European leaders that the 2016 Leave victory would be blocked and overturned, who spent two General Elections with a straight face urging UK voters to vote for Jeremy Corbyn to be the next Prime Minister of the UK and then on becoming Labour Party leader himself, immediately initiated proceedings to expel that same Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party and replace him with a new Labour candidate when the next General Election occurs."
Life Under A Starmer Government |
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Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 8:29:27 GMT
The Conservatives are held back by laws and circumstances at the moment. You will be reintroduced to their nastiness just as soon as conditions return to anything like normal. What nastiness?- the Tories have been in power for the last 13 years so how were they nasty to you? As I posted earlier held by circumstances. If they were to kick people when they are already almost on the their knees that could have serious knock-on effects at the ballot box. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 8:45:59 GMT
Firstly, who do you think you are calling people with different opinions "twats" Laughably you think you are on the moral side, and you use language like that lol. I suggest you spend some time actually researching the history of the Labour party, and the structure of it. Starmer is ignoring party democracy and behaving like a dictator. He has broke all his election pledges, he ignores local democracy and inserts his own crony candidates, and he flip flops his position not to match the democratic views of the Labour membership... but on some bizarre "we must get elected at all costs" populism... when the idiot is going to win by default anyway. I voted for Blair three times because he actually stood for something. All Starmer seems to stand for is being PM, and he is prepared to shit all over his own party and the Labour movement to get it. IMO people who can't stop themselves from throwing slime at Starmer are twats. I'm not interested in your overopinionated and clearly biased opinions on Starmer. Starmer appears keen to move towards NL type of government, with NL type policies. That's why he is "hated" by the hard left Corbynites in the Party. NL did a lot of good "for the many" that Old Labour, polishing the opposition benches could never have accomplished. The problem for Starmer's approach is IMO two fold. 1. Starmer doesn't have the flair that Blair had. 2. Because of the different background circumstances in 1997 and today, the Tories are not as vulnerable as they were back then. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 8:50:53 GMT
For anyone still under the (mistaken) belief that the Tory's are any different from the Labour Party... IIRC that's a bit of a short list. Plus Corbyn had his own history that came with him. Other than that it is more nonsense posted by yourself. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 10, 2023 8:55:33 GMT
Worth a read to see what a Starmer Government believes in... "Those of us who see through the Starmer facade however, can quickly see it’s another instance of him being too clever by half. After all this is the man who led the campaign for a “Second Referendum” on EU membership, who hawked his way round Brussels and other European capitals intent on urging the EU to be as tough and as difficult as possible with the UK in its negotiations to leave it, assuring European leaders that the 2016 Leave victory would be blocked and overturned, who spent two General Elections with a straight face urging UK voters to vote for Jeremy Corbyn to be the next Prime Minister of the UK and then on becoming Labour Party leader himself, immediately initiated proceedings to expel that same Jeremy Corbyn from the Labour Party and replace him with a new Labour candidate when the next General Election occurs."
Life Under A Starmer GovernmentIs that supposed to be unbiased comment ^^^ ? LOL. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 10, 2023 9:17:44 GMT
What nastiness?- the Tories have been in power for the last 13 years so how were they nasty to you? As I posted earlier held by circumstances. If they were to kick people when they are already almost on the their knees that could have serious knock-on effects at the ballot box. Sure but the amusing part is, the one party system that pretends it is something else, is by somehow changing A for B or C will change anything, you have to be either a complete idiot after a lifetime of seeing it or have some other criteria. Which makes your internet user name a little ironic, which is why I use mine. |
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