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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 20:16:57 GMT
Just look up whataboutery, you might learn something Einstein.Which might be fun for everyone else. History is not whataboutery. Now if you have nothing interesting to say why not shut up. But he is funny in his weird way, he can't help it, it gave me a chuckle  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 20:18:42 GMT
They get involved because it's just part of growing up in bad areas. For some it's like an adventure, where poor parenting and outside influence hasn't completely defined right from wrong. Most grow out of it. Do you just think this nonsense up without actually thinking about it? Everyone carries some level of envy in them, but they don't become criminals over it. That is part of the picture, but its no coincidence that more people like the "adventure" in hopeless areas than they do in hopeful ones. Different circumstances different adventure. It has little or nothing to do with envy, since they're still kids with little guidance outside of this little world they've found themselves in. Envy is generally more universal and felt by even the most privileged, like Princess Harry. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2023 20:26:17 GMT
I'm going to ignore you as you have nothing to add troll. Only because I find your political ramblings in the vein of Blairite politics amusing. You are just like him, he also believes he can con anyone. Blair didn't handle criticism well and would have old Labour supporters accused of heckling then thrown out during his hand waving performances. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 19, 2023 20:32:55 GMT
I think the revolution had far more to do with incompetence , high-handedness, unfairness and repression than 'the wealth gap'. The elites in France became useless, dismissive and disinterested in anything but themselves. I didn't suggest that obstacles be constructed to keep the poor happy, but that meaning comes significantly from the challenge of overcoming obstacles that are real. Your subconscious knows when you have a fake trophy. Alienation comes from feeling you are living an unreal life, even if it is strewn with unreal obstacles. Typically, the elites hold their positions until they become incompetent so that the advantages they confer from their rule become obviously smaller than their cost. To summarise - be more like Trump and less like Trudeau  It was traditional of the times that the lords and barons taking tithes from the peasants were also bound to keep aside reserves in case of shortages, in the lead up to the revolution there had been protests that the royalty had not fulfilled this role. The answer to the protests was violence, suppression and the locking up of thousands without any provision in the Bastille. I'm sure you are familiar with the storming of the Bastille. In a way you are right, the poor of France were never happier than when they shared a common purpose of guillotining those who had mocked and suppressed them. You should read the rising of Napoleon and why he was such a popular leader ruling almost all of Europe except Portugal. He was only beaten by the British who had a dedicated army (rather than mercenaries) highly trained and war hardened from Indian conquests. It would be interesting to see how your theory fits in with the history. The British Army was battle hardened by many more campaigns than 'Indian Conquests' which really was only in 1803. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 19, 2023 20:38:52 GMT
It was traditional of the times that the lords and barons taking tithes from the peasants were also bound to keep aside reserves in case of shortages, in the lead up to the revolution there had been protests that the royalty had not fulfilled this role. The answer to the protests was violence, suppression and the locking up of thousands without any provision in the Bastille. I'm sure you are familiar with the storming of the Bastille. In a way you are right, the poor of France were never happier than when they shared a common purpose of guillotining those who had mocked and suppressed them. You should read the rising of Napoleon and why he was such a popular leader ruling almost all of Europe except Portugal. He was only beaten by the British who had a dedicated army (rather than mercenaries) highly trained and war hardened from Indian conquests. It would be interesting to see how your theory fits in with the history. The British Army was battle hardened by many more campaigns than 'Indian Conquests' which really was only in 1803. Agreed, but I had to stop the history lesson somewhere. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 19, 2023 20:40:25 GMT
History is not whataboutery. Now if you have nothing interesting to say why not shut up. But he is funny in his weird way, he can't help it, it gave me a chuckle It doesn't do anything for me. |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 19, 2023 20:41:51 GMT
The British Army was battle hardened by many more campaigns than 'Indian Conquests' which really was only in 1803. Agreed, but I had to stop the history lesson somewhere. Oh I know but I was wondering why concentrate on India as an example when many more and prolonged campaigns were in their experience. I hope it was not a 'woke' moment. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 19, 2023 21:01:56 GMT
What in your opinion caused the French revolution then? Only I thought it was the rich in France leading extravagant lives and wasting money while the poor scraped a living. The rich funding the war in America to become even richer and failing leaving the poor even poorer. Those poor looked to the rich to help when they had a poor crop. They had a poor crop and the rich refused to help. History. But perhaps not, Perhaps the revolution was because the poor lack a challenge they could fail at. Lol. I think the revolution had far more to do with incompetence , high-handedness, unfairness and repression than 'the wealth gap'. The elites in France became useless, dismissive and disinterested in anything but themselves. I didn't suggest that obstacles be constructed to keep the poor happy, but that meaning comes significantly from the challenge of overcoming obstacles that are real. Your subconscious knows when you have a fake trophy. Alienation comes from feeling you are living an unreal life, even if it is strewn with unreal obstacles. Typically, the elites hold their positions until they become incompetent so that the advantages they confer from their rule become obviously smaller than their cost. To summarise - be more like Trump and less like Trudeau Money was the root of the problem, money that needed to be raised to ward of the austerity that couldn't be raised. Blame the King, the nobility and the church for demanding their pound of flesh |
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2023 21:10:17 GMT
They get involved because it's just part of growing up in bad areas. For some it's like an adventure, where poor parenting and outside influence hasn't completely defined right from wrong. Most grow out of it. Do you just think this nonsense up without actually thinking about it? Everyone carries some level of envy in them, but they don't become criminals over it. That is part of the picture, but its no coincidence that more people like the "adventure" in hopeless areas than they do in hopeful ones. My view Each generation of males inherits (learns) a way of dealing with civilisation from their male elders (a civilizational blueprint). Unfortunately, this process has been significantly damaged by the destruction of families and the cultural relegation of all masculine virtues (and males themselves) to a joke . It's all uphill on the way down into the pit. . |
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 21:38:13 GMT
Only because I find your political ramblings in the vein of Blairite politics amusing. You are just like him, he also believes he can con anyone. Blair didn't handle criticism well and would have old Labour supporters accused of heckling then thrown out during his hand waving performances. Blair was shocked and dismayed by what over enthusiastic people did. The man received apologies and was back in the meeting the following day. But disgusting Tory supporters never miss an opportunity to lie, exaggerate and insinuate, its in their DNA. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 19, 2023 21:48:25 GMT
That is part of the picture, but its no coincidence that more people like the "adventure" in hopeless areas than they do in hopeful ones. My view Each generation of males inherits (learns) a way of dealing with civilisation from their male elders (a civilizational blueprint). Unfortunately, this process has been significantly damaged by the destruction of families and the cultural relegation of all masculine virtues (and males themselves) to a joke . It's all uphill on the way down into the pit. . I think you are entirely out of step on this one. The fetus is sensory aware during the last three months in the womb where it learns, through its senses, many things about the mother. The child when born has a sensory awareness of the mother. Mother represents safety to the sensory system i.e. the feelings of the child. The amount of damage a mother can unintentionally do to her child especially in the first two year of life, is one of the main reasons there is so much crime and violence in society. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 19, 2023 22:00:12 GMT
Agreed, but I had to stop the history lesson somewhere. Oh I know but I was wondering why concentrate on India as an example when many more and prolonged campaigns were in their experience. I hope it was not a 'woke' moment. No, it was the most recent completed mission before napoleon. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2023 22:05:23 GMT
I have to say, Zany, I am pleasantly surprised you are able to talk about history like this without veering off entirely into some wet nonsense about oppressed minorities.
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2023 22:17:48 GMT
My view Each generation of males inherits (learns) a way of dealing with civilisation from their male elders (a civilizational blueprint). Unfortunately, this process has been significantly damaged by the destruction of families and the cultural relegation of all masculine virtues (and males themselves) to a joke . It's all uphill on the way down into the pit. . I think you are entirely out of step on this one. The fetus is sensory aware during the last three months in the womb where it learns, through its senses, many things about the mother. The child when born has a sensory awareness of the mother. Mother represents safety to the sensory system i.e. the feelings of the child. The amount of damage a mother can unintentionally do to her child especially in the first two year of life, is one of the main reasons there is so much crime and violence in society. I don't think your observation is wrong, but i was dealing with the damage that comes a bit later when no pattern for civilisation is transmitted to the child |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 19, 2023 22:43:57 GMT
I have to say, Zany, I am pleasantly surprised you are able to talk about history like this without veering off entirely into some wet nonsense about oppressed minorities. I'm sure I could care less if I tried. Good luck with your future chats with Strawry |
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