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Post by see2 on Mar 18, 2023 18:57:22 GMT
No one knows what the Conservative plans are going into the next general election, none of the partys publish Manifesto's until closer to the general election. However, the Labour Party has issued a Five Point Mission to (1) Secure high sustained growth - (2) Make the UK a clean energy superpower - (3) Make the NHS fit for the future - (4) Make Britains streets safe - (5) Break down barriers to opportunity. Details on the Crime pledge are expected in the run-up to Mays local elections, and detail on the other Mission Statements are expected in early summer. We already know SOME policies, such as the return of railways to state ownership, which is actually very popular amongst the traditionaly Tory voting middle class commuters. And thats why I believe Starmer has a very good chance, because unlike Corbyn, he knows that Labour must appeal not only to its grass roots and traditional voters, but also to Tories who will consider voting Labour. I know what the Tories goal is going to be, they are putting things in place NOW so it will have kicked in by the next GE.
I think they'll have the illegal boat people under control, mortgage interest rates will come down, along with energy bills, inflation will be down, Covid (hopefully) will be under control, Brexit should be well on it's way to be working.
People have short memories, they'll forget about 'these times', if people are feeling good towards the next GE, Labour will be fucked.
Labour will have nothing to offer but 'promises', and people will stick with the Tories.
Controlling illegal boat people is on the wish list of this government and the next, whoever that might be. "Major lenders are starting to reduce mortgage rates, after the mini-Budget pushed them up and added hundreds of pounds to some homeowners' bills. HSBC is set to reduce rates on five-year fixed mortgages for those with deposits of 25 per cent or more by up to 0.11 percentage points in the coming days". The lenders will decide. Inflation should be down. International circumstances along with government guarantees will determine energy costs. Brexit is and will remain for some time to come, a pipe dream. People feeling good is a Tory strength given the levels of lying, insinuating and distorting of reality by the Tory propaganda machine. What will make a difference is just how hard the Tory press work to promote tory propaganda. If the press take a shine to Starmer, that will be game set and match for Labour. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 18, 2023 19:02:45 GMT
I know what the Tories goal is going to be, they are putting things in place NOW so it will have kicked in by the next GE.
I think they'll have the illegal boat people under control, mortgage interest rates will come down, along with energy bills, inflation will be down, Covid (hopefully) will be under control, Brexit should be well on it's way to be working.
People have short memories, they'll forget about 'these times', if people are feeling good towards the next GE, Labour will be fucked.
Labour will have nothing to offer but 'promises', and people will stick with the Tories.
Controlling illegal boat people is on the wish list of this government and the next, whoever that might be. "Major lenders are starting to reduce mortgage rates, after the mini-Budget pushed them up and added hundreds of pounds to some homeowners' bills. HSBC is set to reduce rates on five-year fixed mortgages for those with deposits of 25 per cent or more by up to 0.11 percentage points in the coming days". The lenders will decide. Inflation should be down. International circumstances along with government guarantees will determine energy costs. Brexit is and will remain for some time to come, a pipe dream. People feeling good is a Tory strength given the levels of lying, insinuating and distorting of reality by the Tory propaganda machine. What will make a difference is just how hard the Tory press work to promote tory propaganda. If the press take a shine to Starmer, that will be game set and match for Labour. It seems those on this bopard are concentrating on Labour and Conservative without thinking about Farage and his party. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 19:07:30 GMT
It seems those on this bopard are concentrating on Labour and Conservative without thinking about Farage and his party. I have it in mind, but they're a bit quiet of late. Then again with Labour talking so much shit they're probably waiting for something to actually challenge, instead of fairy tales. After all, Starmer's boys on here seem to be limited to screaming "Tories bad" without adding any substance, so I guess they can be mostly ignored. It could just be a case of the Tories getting on board with Farage's lot closer to the election, which should help save us from the odious left. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 18, 2023 19:07:31 GMT
I'm sure he thinks its intelligent. 🤫ðŸ¤Going by your rate of failure elsewhere I don't think you're in any position to judge anyone. However, the fact that this is what happened after the last Labour government was elected does explain why Starmer's trolls have lit up and now abusing the messenger.  Illegal wars, that's a lie. Freedom of Movement as used by New Labour in order to feed an expanding economy no longer exists, but immigration still continues a pace under the Tories and that is an even wider range of multiculturalism. Have you had a whinge about that? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 18, 2023 19:11:01 GMT
Controlling illegal boat people is on the wish list of this government and the next, whoever that might be. "Major lenders are starting to reduce mortgage rates, after the mini-Budget pushed them up and added hundreds of pounds to some homeowners' bills. HSBC is set to reduce rates on five-year fixed mortgages for those with deposits of 25 per cent or more by up to 0.11 percentage points in the coming days". The lenders will decide. Inflation should be down. International circumstances along with government guarantees will determine energy costs. Brexit is and will remain for some time to come, a pipe dream. People feeling good is a Tory strength given the levels of lying, insinuating and distorting of reality by the Tory propaganda machine. What will make a difference is just how hard the Tory press work to promote tory propaganda. If the press take a shine to Starmer, that will be game set and match for Labour. It seems those on this bopard are concentrating on Labour and Conservative without thinking about Farage and his party. Well apart from believing that Farage has fired his one and only shot, why would people have nasty thoughts of Farage with any political power? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 18, 2023 19:15:11 GMT
It seems those on this bopard are concentrating on Labour and Conservative without thinking about Farage and his party. I have it in mind, but they're a bit quiet of late. Then again with Labour talking so much shit they're probably waiting for something to actually challenge, instead of fairy tales. After all, Starmer's boys on here seem to be limited to screaming "Tories bad" without adding any substance, so I guess they can be mostly ignored. It could just be a case of the Tories getting on board with Farage's lot closer to the election, which should help save us from the odious left. Totally biased idiots, liars and bigots will certainly ignore them, and that can only be good for Labour and the country. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2023 19:21:07 GMT
 Immigration is currently not a major concern for the electorate, and according to polling just 12% of the electorate think it is of major concern. Twwce as many people feel the NHS is more important, and over six times as many think the economy and inflation is more important. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 18, 2023 19:54:41 GMT
Boat people lol
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Post by sheepy on Mar 18, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
View AttachmentImmigration is currently not a major concern for the electorate, and according to polling just 12% of the electorate think it is of major concern. Twwce as many people feel the NHS is more important, and over six times as many think the economy and inflation is more important. Except Sydney, the media and polls are used to make you believe something else and away from the real issues, which people are more bothered about from the start. Then politicians take up said issues as advertised and can ignore the real issues. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 18, 2023 21:15:53 GMT
I have it in mind, but they're a bit quiet of late. Then again with Labour talking so much shit they're probably waiting for something to actually challenge, instead of fairy tales. After all, Starmer's boys on here seem to be limited to screaming "Tories bad" without adding any substance, so I guess they can be mostly ignored. It could just be a case of the Tories getting on board with Farage's lot closer to the election, which should help save us from the odious left. Totally biased idiots, liars and bigots will certainly ignore them, and that can only be good for Labour and the country. You're sounding worried. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 18, 2023 21:53:56 GMT
Totally biased idiots, liars and bigots will certainly ignore them, and that can only be good for Labour and the country. You're sounding worried. Nope totally relaxed. We either get more of the same, or a chance of a change with Starmer. I know which I would prefer, but I'm not arsed no matter which way it goes. I have better things to do these days. Writing Stories and Poems take up some of my time, and I've just bought an old property with a lot of gardening and a green house taking my interest. More smiles and enjoyment and fewer concerns about the whims and frailty of the electoral mistakes made by the UK electorate . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 19, 2023 2:44:48 GMT
I think it depends on how well Rishi fixes the economy. If we start to get reports nearer the election that the economy has surpassed predictions, especially if it does by a long way, then Starmer is dead meat, for all his doom and gloom predictions would be seen as wrong. Results are a better currency for winning elections, not promises. Can you pinpoint any UK election that's been won on results rather than promises (broken or kept)
"Get Brexit Done" was a promise that got a landslide victory — though having Corbyn as the main opponent obviously helped...
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 19, 2023 8:20:05 GMT
I know she is swimming in a pretty shallow pond but who on earth thought that Rachael Reeves was Chancellor material. Totally predictably - after she came out against the proposed scrapping of the Lifetime allowance and promised to give Doctors their own 'special deal' the Unions are now demanding the same 'special deals' for their members - Police, Teachers, nuclear inspectors, chief fire officers, air-traffic controllers and electrical engineers all now demanding the same as Doctors.. ...I mean how dumb do you have to be not to see this coming..  |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 19, 2023 8:43:14 GMT
I know she is swimming in a pretty shallow pond but who on earth thought that Rachael Reeves was Chancellor material. Totally predictably - after she came out against the proposed scrapping of the Lifetime allowance and promised to give Doctors their own 'special deal' the Unions are now demanding the same 'special deals' for their members - Police, Teachers, nuclear inspectors, chief fire officers, air-traffic controllers and electrical engineers all now demanding the same as Doctors.. ...I mean how dumb do you have to be not to see this coming.. I thought you wanted to rid the country of low wages. Isn't that your reason for cutting the work force supply. Surely all these people being able to demand more money because of lack of competition is exactly what you want. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 19, 2023 9:03:03 GMT
I know she is swimming in a pretty shallow pond but who on earth thought that Rachael Reeves was Chancellor material. Totally predictably - after she came out against the proposed scrapping of the Lifetime allowance and promised to give Doctors their own 'special deal' the Unions are now demanding the same 'special deals' for their members - Police, Teachers, nuclear inspectors, chief fire officers, air-traffic controllers and electrical engineers all now demanding the same as Doctors.. ...I mean how dumb do you have to be not to see this coming.. I thought you wanted to rid the country of low wages. Isn't that your reason for cutting the work force supply. Surely all these people being able to demand more money because of lack of competition is exactly what you want. I was about to commend you on actually managing to land a punch on target - but then it occurred to me that these people are public employees and are demanding more money from the state. Competition? Really? Close, but no cigar. |
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