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Post by thomas on Mar 7, 2023 17:19:15 GMT
I didn't blame you for anything. I merely pointed out that you don't accept any answer and will follow ABE to the end of time. point dismissed. Next?
This is important because Donaldson – though a fringe figure in the 1940s – was to go on to become leader of the SNP decades later. So was he really a Nazi sympathiser? Well, not according to historians.
Richard Finlay, professor of history at Strathclyde University, has gone through Donaldson’s private papers. There was no evidence, he said, of Donaldson having any affinity to fascism. Either in his own documents or Nazi archives.
Claims to the contrary, Mr Finlay, told The Herald’s sister paper The National, were a complete and utter myth. The M15 source, he added, was telling his handlers what they wanted to hear.
Yet type Donaldson’s name into Twitter and you will discover armies of people who think he – and sometimes the entire SNP – were plotting with the Nazis. Indeed, the made-up social media story mirrors that of the real Ramsay. But it is fake history.
Saying Donaldson was a Nazi has become a rite of passage for the most zealous unionists. I doubt many believe it to be true: for them, reality does not matter; this is just trolling.www.heraldscotland.com/opinion/23220885.focus-truth-nazi-sympathisers-scotland/
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oh dear. So it s now the snp fault the tories and brexit have made a mess of the uk ? Do you brexiters ever take responsibility for anything? 
There we have what? Thomas is a remainer and wants to rejoin the EU.? How did you guess ?
FFS. I tell you b4 theres no flies on you is there? There surely is a job waiting for you at MI5.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2023 17:40:00 GMT
You keep relying on this one individual and one claim, which seems odd considering the amount of evidence toward both the SNP and the Nats (obviously, not all) that you snipped out of my post. I guess being dismissive makes it go away, huh?
I never blamed the SNP for anything, and merely highlighted what they do and for what purpose. You snipped out all context and did so dishonestly.
Clearly you will support a unionist party if you believe that they will betray the UK's democratic mandate to leave the EU, whilst telling the the people that it's where they belong. You're a fraud movement. A disgrace to everyone who believes in national independence, democracy and sovereignty, most importantly for the people.
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Post by Ripley on Mar 7, 2023 19:33:20 GMT
Really? Where's the "little echo chamber of pro separatist anti English xenophobia" to which the poster is alluding? Since this is a Scottish thread, he is addressing a Scot, and the resident pro-independence Scots are always being told they're anti-English, is it not reasonable to assume he is referring to the inhabitants of Scotland? Who else could he be referring to? Sorry, but you're relying on the fascistic propaganda where an attack on the Nats (seemingly plastic) equals an attack on all Scots. Borg-like.  No, I'm not saying that an attack on the Scot Nats equals an attack on all Scots. But it is an attack on roughly half of the Scots, and in my experience the Scots are not a people given to xenophobia. Scottish independence is about knowing they can do better by governing themselves and making their own decisions because the Tories have been a spectacular failure. As for anti-English sentiment, you seem to try to provoke it with comments like, 'We own you.' Why do you do that? Do you think that influences anyone towards your point of view? |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 22:46:15 GMT
Sorry, but you're relying on the fascistic propaganda where an attack on the Nats (seemingly plastic) equals an attack on all Scots. Borg-like. No, I'm not saying that an attack on the Scot Nats equals an attack on all Scots. But it is an attack on roughly half of the Scots, and in my experience the Scots are not a people given to xenophobia. Scottish independence is about knowing they can do better by governing themselves and making their own decisions because the Tories have been a spectacular failure. As for anti-English sentiment, you seem to try to provoke it with comments like, 'We own you.' Why do you do that? Do you think that influences anyone towards your point of view? I tend to agree - but you cannot deny that Scot Nationalists are not xenophobic. Grievance against the English is hard wired into their DNA. |
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Post by Ripley on Mar 7, 2023 23:48:33 GMT
No, I'm not saying that an attack on the Scot Nats equals an attack on all Scots. But it is an attack on roughly half of the Scots, and in my experience the Scots are not a people given to xenophobia. Scottish independence is about knowing they can do better by governing themselves and making their own decisions because the Tories have been a spectacular failure. As for anti-English sentiment, you seem to try to provoke it with comments like, 'We own you.' Why do you do that? Do you think that influences anyone towards your point of view? I tend to agree - but you cannot deny that Scot Nationalists are not xenophobic. Grievance against the English is hard wired into their DNA. Hard-wired into their DNA? That's harsh. I think the Scots understand quite well the difference between the people and the government, and it is the latter against whom they have grievances. The people don't make policy. |
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Post by om15 on Mar 8, 2023 11:02:25 GMT
Watching the dispiriting cat fight that is supposedly the selection of the First Minister of Scotland I am amazed at how much political life has suffered in Scotland, Sturgeon's legacy is the three clowns that we see squabbling about how best to drive Scotland even further downhill.
Not one seems to acknowledge the third word state to which they have helped their country descend to.
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:35:51 GMT
You keep relying on this one individual and one claim, which seems odd considering the amount of evidence toward both the SNP and the Nats (obviously, not all) that you snipped out of my post. I guess being dismissive makes it go away, huh? So we have to dismiss a respected professor from strathclyde university , who has actually researched donaldsons private papers unlike you , and accept the unfounded claims of kipper trolls on obscure interwebby forums who are pouting about scot indy and the fact their party and movement regualrly gets humped at the polls in scotland?
you make the unfounded claim , you have to prove it. The onus is on you mate not me.
That the snp and wider yes movement is pro scottish anti british , and want to join the european union while rejecting brexit? Who knew?
in your opinion , which of course doesnt amount to much among the scottish people , who regularly kick brexiters at every vote. I mean you average about what , 2 % or less of scotland vote , and are seen as some mad english pressure group that most scots laugh at?
I will vote at every election however i wish , and when it suits , i will put the boot into brexiters time and again.
Too bad if you dont like that.
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:43:30 GMT
No, I'm not saying that an attack on the Scot Nats equals an attack on all Scots. But it is an attack on roughly half of the Scots, and in my experience the Scots are not a people given to xenophobia. Scottish independence is about knowing they can do better by governing themselves and making their own decisions because the Tories have been a spectacular failure. As for anti-English sentiment, you seem to try to provoke it with comments like, 'We own you.' Why do you do that? Do you think that influences anyone towards your point of view? I tend to agree - but you cannot deny that Scot Nationalists are not xenophobic. Grievance against the English is hard wired into their DNA. We dont have a grievance against the english. We dont agree with the uk , and want independence.
I am married to an englishwoman , and have never hated anyone on this earth in my life because of their nationality , only personality every time.
I dont think anyone on this earth takes bleating brexiters and tories to boot seriously when it comes to moaning about xenophobia. We embrace internationalism and want to be a part of the larger european union , while brexiters want isolation ,and stuck two fingers up to 500 million europeans. Not to mention constantly moaning about reutrn of empire , and the good old days of sticking the boot into to black and brown people.
Everyone from washington to beijing , from glasgow to cape town is laughing at your poor attempt at reverse psychology and hurt sensibilities.
If the scottish are nasty anti english racists for wanting to leave the empire , then 62 nations around the world are the same , and we are in good company from the USA to india , from ireland to south africa.
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:46:30 GMT
You know i mind watching a speech from alec salmond regarding his time as scottish first minister. (you mentioning third world state here)
He recalled meeting delegates from over 50 former countires that were once part of the london controlled empire , from first world to third world , rich poor , big small , and the one thing they all had in common was they wanted independence from your country , and not one ever asked to come back.
All were told the same thing as us , they couldnt survive without london plundering them , but survive , and in most cases prosper they did.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 11:47:02 GMT
55% of Scotland's voters voted against the Scottish Nazi Party in the last General Election.
You're pretending that getting 45% of the vote means you can declare independence because of getting the most seats ?
Bring in PR and destroy the SNP.
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 11:55:17 GMT
55% of Scotland's voters voted against the Scottish Nazi Party in the last General Election. 30 % of labour supporters suport scottish indy , so your peurile figures are meaningless in terms of indy support as i keep telling you.
We have pr in scotland you complete buffoon . Is it worthwhile engaging in any sort of attempt at debate with you if you are going to keep ignoring the links showing how elections work in scotland , how the snp and wider scot indy movement have been successfull under pr and under fptp ?
Bring in any new system you want , and we will beat it.
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Post by om15 on Mar 8, 2023 12:02:44 GMT
About 30 years ago I went down to Lusaka in Zambia working, the people that I worked with there told me that the worst thing that happened there was the British pulling out.
I understand that in order to stay afloat they have sold most of their Country to the Chinese.
Perhaps you have that in mind?
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 12:08:13 GMT
About 30 years ago I went down to Lusaka in Zambia working, the people that I worked with there told me that the worst thing that happened there was the British pulling out. I understand that in order to stay afloat they have sold most of their Country to the Chinese. Perhaps you have that in mind? so have zambia asked to come back to london rule? Or is this just another brexiter fantasy of how the world gets nostalgic from time to time of the good old days of rape pillage exploitation of countries under london rule? 
I mean there are 62 nations that i can think of and not one has asked to come back.
Perhaps this is just another "misremembering" of what was actually said to you.....you know .....like your nostalgic view of staying in my country , or perhaps they were merely being kind to you while laughing behind your back.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2023 12:22:49 GMT
Watching the dispiriting cat fight that is supposedly the selection of the First Minister of Scotland I am amazed at how much political life has suffered in Scotland, Sturgeon's legacy is the three clowns that we see squabbling about how best to drive Scotland even further downhill. Not one seems to acknowledge the third word state to which they have helped their country descend to. Despite having a couple of decades of grown up political training their cult followers still debate like told off children. It's frightfully dishonest and somewhat tedious, which is probably why they're evaporating support within their own movement. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 8, 2023 12:32:18 GMT
About 30 years ago I went down to Lusaka in Zambia working, the people that I worked with there told me that the worst thing that happened there was the British pulling out. I understand that in order to stay afloat they have sold most of their Country to the Chinese. Perhaps you have that in mind? These are the decendents of the tossers who were rounding up their own people for the slave trade years prior. |
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