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Post by bancroft on Mar 6, 2023 12:07:20 GMT
If Sunak can get an N.I agreement and then deal with the illegal asylum problem surely Bojo's ambitions as PM are over.
Both are big ifs, yet you get the sense the Johnson faction are trying to make him a viable leader candidate again.
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 12:15:16 GMT
If Sunak can get an N.I agreement and then deal with the illegal asylum problem surely Bojo's ambitions as PM are over. Both are big ifs, yet you get the sense the Johnson faction are trying to make him a viable leader candidate again. sunaks deal is looking worse each day for brexiters. We are seeing article after article rip it apart , and the msm spin about how great it allegedly is , is of course wearing thin.
Sunak isnt popular , even among the tory grassroots as we know . The question is , the closer we get to a general election , and the polls remain in favour of a starmer landslide (50 % of vote and over 400 seats ?) the more squeaky bums for the tories it is.
Will they hope johnson returns to try and save them , or will they stick it out with nice but dim rishi the remainer?
Questions questions!?
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 6, 2023 12:30:18 GMT
I think most of us have accepted the fact that nothing will change regarding the illegal boat people, it's all fireside talk.
We are heading closer to the next GE so we'll hear plenty of these empty promises, as for the N.I agreement Sunak will just rollover to the EU, just like Starmer.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 6, 2023 12:50:09 GMT
I think most of us have accepted the fact that nothing will change regarding the illegal boat people, it's all fireside talk. We are heading closer to the next GE so we'll hear plenty of these empty promises, as for the N.I agreement Sunak will just rollover to the EU, just like Starmer. If and again a big if he can stop the Albanians then he will seem to have got further than Bojo. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 12:55:28 GMT
I think most of us have accepted the fact that nothing will change regarding the illegal boat people, it's all fireside talk. We are heading closer to the next GE so we'll hear plenty of these empty promises, as for the N.I agreement Sunak will just rollover to the EU, just like Starmer. It will all be smoke and mirrors mate. if he did succeed there are very many would reward him at the next GE.....Time will tell but heres one that aint holding his breath....When you see the likes of von de liar grinning like a chessure cat you can tell yet again it will be the UK that gets shagged over.....And of course the swamp as per usual will make sure it will never happen. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 6, 2023 13:04:20 GMT
I think most of us have accepted the fact that nothing will change regarding the illegal boat people, it's all fireside talk. We are heading closer to the next GE so we'll hear plenty of these empty promises, as for the N.I agreement Sunak will just rollover to the EU, just like Starmer. It will all be smoke and mirrors mate. if he did succeed there are very many would reward him at the next GE.....Time will tell but heres one that aint holding his breath....When you see the likes of von de liar grinning like a chessure cat you can tell yet again it will be the UK that gets shagged over.....And of course the swamp as per usual will make sure it will never happen. The place is full of psychopaths, they invite you for lunch, but they never tell you that you are the lunch. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 6, 2023 13:17:25 GMT
I think most of us have accepted the fact that nothing will change regarding the illegal boat people, it's all fireside talk. We are heading closer to the next GE so we'll hear plenty of these empty promises, as for the N.I agreement Sunak will just rollover to the EU, just like Starmer. It will all be smoke and mirrors mate. if he did succeed there are very many would reward him at the next GE.....Time will tell but heres one that aint holding his breath....When you see the likes of von de liar grinning like a chessure cat you can tell yet again it will be the UK that gets shagged over.....And of course the swamp as per usual will make sure it will never happen. I take it all with a pinch of salt now, they are saying what we want to hear, but saying and doing are two different things, if only we had a decent opposition, we are basically now trapped between the devil and deep blue sea. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 6, 2023 13:20:56 GMT
It will all be smoke and mirrors mate. if he did succeed there are very many would reward him at the next GE.....Time will tell but heres one that aint holding his breath....When you see the likes of von de liar grinning like a chessure cat you can tell yet again it will be the UK that gets shagged over.....And of course the swamp as per usual will make sure it will never happen. I take it all with a pinch of salt now, they are saying what we want to hear, but saying and doing are two different things, if only we had a decent opposition, we are basically now trapped between the devil and deep blue sea. That's about the size of it mate.... |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 18:00:01 GMT
If Sunak can get an N.I agreement and then deal with the illegal asylum problem surely Bojo's ambitions as PM are over. Both are big ifs, yet you get the sense the Johnson faction are trying to make him a viable leader candidate again. I cant see Johnson being a viable leader whatever Sunak does. In fact its looking pretty unlikely that he will even be in Parliament after the next election. |
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Post by sheepy on Mar 6, 2023 18:55:42 GMT
At the moment they are suddenly coming out of the woodwork trying to distance themselves from lockdown decisions, they voted for it, which we will be reminding them of, when I can see how many are still suffering from a psychological attack.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 7, 2023 7:25:04 GMT
If you thought Bojo over-promised and under-delivered SUnak makes him look like an amateur.
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Post by Hutchyns on Mar 7, 2023 8:23:22 GMT
thomas
On the basis that Remainer Richy isn't too popular with the Tory grassroots, and that those were the very people who rejected him as a prospective Party leader, I presumed Little Richy would almost immediately make plans for a new career outside of parliament once he'd been rejected, (by a substantial margin) in favour of Truss.
And despite having been Chancellor, his indication that he would be comfortable to now continue life as a backbench MP didn't ring true. I'd surmise that statement was made in the knowledge that the overwhelmingly 'Remainer' Tory benches in the Commons had assured him they intended to manoeuvre Liz out and install him instead ….. if only he was willing to hang around while they went to work to achieve it.
My feeling is that under the facade, the Tories accept and acknowledge they'll lose the next election. Plenty of Tory MP's have already indicated their intention not to stand again, and those in safer seats, fatigued from trying to support some hopeless Governments, aren't unduly opposed to a few years of comparative responsibility free relaxation on the Opposition benches.
With that in mind, and remembering the big issue that unites most MP's throughout the House is their desire to get the UK back into the EU, I see Rishi's Government using their remaining time in office being spent on smoothing the way for Starmer, and removing some of the obstacles that Labour would face in getting us on track to the slow and gradual re-intergration with the EU.
Little Richy's 'Windsor Framework', the continuing dragging of heels rather than sweeping the mass of EU legislation from our Statute Book, the almost fanboy approach to von der Leyen, as he struggled to resist the temptation to whip out his autograph book.
Boris, ever the self publicist, will want to keep his name in the headlines …. and keep the cash rolling in with books and speeches so as to keep up the maintenance payments for his 15 kids, but as for Party leadership and any ability to govern, particularly without Cummings strict guidance, he was putty in Carrie's hands, and as 'woke' as anything the Labour benches could muster.
Rishi is in position to prepare the ground for Starmer to continue the task of creeping ever loser to the EU and its institutions. If he shocks even his own side by pulling an unlikely election victory out of the hat, they'll take it …. but that'll be no more than an unexpected bonus to the main task of starting us off on the long trek towards rejoining.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 7, 2023 10:54:21 GMT
If Sunak can get an N.I agreement and then deal with the illegal asylum problem surely Bojo's ambitions as PM are over. Both are big ifs, yet you get the sense the Johnson faction are trying to make him a viable leader candidate again. The truth is the ‘ban the flights’ brigade are already working out how to make the Rwandan Boat People plan a laugh a minute, and the Windsor Knot seems more smoke and mirrors with each passing moment too |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 7, 2023 11:02:14 GMT
If Sunak can get an N.I agreement and then deal with the illegal asylum problem surely Bojo's ambitions as PM are over. Both are big ifs, yet you get the sense the Johnson faction are trying to make him a viable leader candidate again. The truth is the ‘ban the flights’ brigade are already working out how to make the Rwandan Boat People plan a laugh a minute, and the Windsor Knot seems more smoke and mirrors with each passing moment too I think the Rwanda thing was only to set aa a precedent to scare would be asylum seekers. Rwanda could never accommodate large numbers. What he is trying to do is remove the right for boat people to get legal aid for asylum, immigration lawyers make an income out of this so with Labour will try and make as much noise as possible. If it comes off in theory they can be deported quickly. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 7, 2023 13:10:38 GMT
I don’t think Rwanda NEEDS to accommodate large numbers
The fact is its a shithole landlocked in the centre of the African subcontinent.
The huge upswing in mediterranean migrants post Ghadaffi showed the degree to which people smugglers via Mali were reduced by Libyan attitudes. Rwanda works as a threat as it is an indication of being flung back where you came from. Not so good for Albanians of course
The bottom line is the numbers coming are swollen by talk of success. Replace that by the reality of death by drowning or deporting to anywhere else and the numbers should shrink.
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