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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 17:37:39 GMT
The cost of doing nothing is implied here - net zero enforcement will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people. So you believe that doing to stop climate change will have no cost. And you think I have tunnel vision. So the new £160,000,000 coastal defences currently being built along the South coast of Britain due to increased height in wind driven tidal surges are not a cost of climate change. A vanity project perhaps? Or a ruse the bankrupt the west? That is in part due to the Isostatic rebound of Scotland from the weight of the glacier mass and England sinking in a pivotal motion. Also sea levels on a world wide basis are notoriously difficult to measure and predict. Most areas see a rise of up to 6 inches in the last hundred years but Alaska has seen a fall in level. There are many variables, nothing is fixed. Climate changes I think the problem is believing we have any level of control over this. All we can do is adapt to the changes. Sometimes that is a positive thing other times it is a negative thing. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:47:30 GMT
So you believe that doing to stop climate change will have no cost. And you think I have tunnel vision. So the new £160,000,000 coastal defences currently being built along the South coast of Britain due to increased height in wind driven tidal surges are not a cost of climate change. A vanity project perhaps? Or a ruse the bankrupt the west? That is in part due to the Isostatic rebound of Scotland from the weight of the glacier mass and England sinking in a pivotal motion. Also sea levels on a world wide basis are notoriously difficult to measure and predict. Most areas see a rise of up to 6 inches in the last hundred years but Alaska has seen a fall in level. There are many variables, nothing is fixed. Climate changes I think the problem is believing we have any level of control over this. All we can do is adapt to the changes. Sometimes that is a positive thing other times it is a negative thing. No it isn't parts of Southwest England are sinking at a rate of about 0.6 millimetres per year, so that's 30mm in the last 50 years. Meanwhile high tidal storm surges are 1,500mm higher than the 50 year norm. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 18:08:08 GMT
The cost of doing nothing is implied here - net zero enforcement will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people. So you believe that doing to stop climate change will have no cost. No. I am being a bit more direct. I don't think the Uk's aggressive net zero targets will affect climate change |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 18:10:20 GMT
That is in part due to the Isostatic rebound of Scotland from the weight of the glacier mass and England sinking in a pivotal motion. Also sea levels on a world wide basis are notoriously difficult to measure and predict. Most areas see a rise of up to 6 inches in the last hundred years but Alaska has seen a fall in level. There are many variables, nothing is fixed. Climate changes I think the problem is believing we have any level of control over this. All we can do is adapt to the changes. Sometimes that is a positive thing other times it is a negative thing. No it isn't parts of Southwest England are sinking at a rate of about 0.6 millimetres per year, so that's 30mm in the last 50 years. Meanwhile high tidal storm surges are 1,500mm higher than the 50 year norm. Yes it is in part as it is estimated to be 10 and 30% of the effect, as you have just confirmed for the SW. There is really no such thing as the norm, the coastlines the topography of the North Sea seabed are all radically different as is the behaviour of the Jet stream and the behaviour of each individual storm and how it ties in with tides and winds and temperatures |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 18:30:02 GMT
In case any of you haven't realised a average 0.8 degree increase in temperature does not mean everywhere got 0.8 degrees warmer. Some places are 4 degrees warmer than their 1950 to 1980 average. To put that in perspective that means a 25% rise in temperature. Your maths has been found wanting before Zany. It is not a 25% rise in temperature you numpty. Temperatures start at 0 degrees K (absolute zero) and we live in an environment at about 288K. So what percentage is 0.8 degrees of 288K? As you have no knowledge of maths involving temperatures, perhaps you should keep a bit quieter about your favourite subject, which you clearly fail to understand at a basic level. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:23:53 GMT
So you believe that doing to stop climate change will have no cost. No. I am being a bit more direct. I don't think the Uk's aggressive net zero targets will affect climate change We disagree, for the reasons I have given many times. No point in going round in circles. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:27:57 GMT
In case any of you haven't realised a average 0.8 degree increase in temperature does not mean everywhere got 0.8 degrees warmer. Some places are 4 degrees warmer than their 1950 to 1980 average. To put that in perspective that means a 25% rise in temperature. Your maths has been found wanting before Zany. It is not a 25% rise in temperature you numpty. Temperatures start at 0 degrees K (absolute zero) and we live in an environment at about 288K. So what percentage is 0.8 degrees of 288K? As you have no knowledge of maths involving temperatures, perhaps you should keep a bit quieter about your favourite subject, which you clearly fail to understand at a basic level. Assuming Earth ambient temperature was absolute zero, but you know what, it isn't. its 15c. The areas I'm describing its 24c so a rise to 28c is.... Well I'll let your fantastic mathematical brain work it out for me. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:29:51 GMT
No it isn't parts of Southwest England are sinking at a rate of about 0.6 millimetres per year, so that's 30mm in the last 50 years. Meanwhile high tidal storm surges are 1,500mm higher than the 50 year norm. Yes it is in part as it is estimated to be 10 and 30% of the effect, as you have just confirmed for the SW. There is really no such thing as the norm, the coastlines the topography of the North Sea seabed are all radically different as is the behaviour of the Jet stream and the behaviour of each individual storm and how it ties in with tides and winds and temperatures You didn't say "In part" And let me reassure you they are not raising the defences by 50mm. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2023 19:31:20 GMT
Your maths has been found wanting before Zany. It is not a 25% rise in temperature you numpty. Temperatures start at 0 degrees K (absolute zero) and we live in an environment at about 288K. So what percentage is 0.8 degrees of 288K? As you have no knowledge of maths involving temperatures, perhaps you should keep a bit quieter about your favourite subject, which you clearly fail to understand at a basic level. Assuming Earth ambient temperature was absolute zero, but you know what, it isn't. its 15c. The areas I'm describing its 24c so a rise to 28c is.... Well I'll let your fantastic mathematical brain work it out for me. Stop digging, Zany. Your ignorance is showing. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 19:34:27 GMT
Assuming Earth ambient temperature was absolute zero, but you know what, it isn't. its 15c. The areas I'm describing its 24c so a rise to 28c is.... Well I'll let your fantastic mathematical brain work it out for me. Stop digging, Zany. Your ignorance is showing. Bugger. I didn't think I'd have you reduced to mindless insults quite so quickly. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 19:38:09 GMT
Stop digging, Zany. Your ignorance is showing. Bugger. I didn't think I'd have you reduced to mindless insults quite so quickly. Not mindless, I think he thought deeply about it for several seconds, he's the caring sort. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 19:59:02 GMT
So something that rises from 1c to 2c has experienced a 100% rise in temperature?
What about -1c to 0c?
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 20:09:27 GMT
So something that rises from 1c to 2c has experienced a 100% rise in temperature? What about -1c to 0c? I know you didn't mean to, but you make my point well. Repeating 0.8 degrees endlessly as if its a tiny amount is to show how much you misunderstand climate. Just as misusing a rise from 1 to 2 degrees is a misrepresentation of the realities. Because a rise from 0 to 1 degree Celsius could actually be catastrophic. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 20:13:15 GMT
Lol
You definitely have a skill - I would hire you to do PR, but there is absolutely no way i would get in any plane you piloted.
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 20:34:47 GMT
Lol You definitely have a skill - I would hire you to do PR, but there is absolutely no way i would get in any plane you piloted. Just as well I'm not a pilot. However facts are much easier to fly. A rise from 24 to 28 degrees is 25% and more importantly a big change in climate, weather, storm strength, flooding frequency etc. But its all happened before 300,000 years ago. nothing to see here. |
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