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Post by Dan Dare on Mar 23, 2023 14:35:10 GMT
It certainly won't do anything to change the climate. It's rather like doing a rain-dance in your back garden and expecting the Sahara to turn green again.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 15:01:30 GMT
It certainly won't do anything to change the climate. It's rather like doing a rain-dance in your back garden and expecting the Sahara to turn green again. In around 15,000 years time the Sahara will turn green again without us pissing on our parched lawns. 15,000 years before Zany finds out CO2 was never to blame. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:19:35 GMT
Well lay out your facts. What are the costs of doing something and what are the costs of doing nothing about climate change. My estimation is that Britain's aggressive net zero enforcement (if it can be enforced) will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people And your consideration of the cost of doing nothing? |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 16:20:15 GMT
I think you need to give the question some thought As an example - ignoring the enormous economic damage and inconvenience, will the 2030s or 2040s look very different because the UK public have been forced out of their IC cars and their ic manufacture has been forcibly closed down? To me, this whole thing looks like some kind of enemy sabotage operation mixed with a large amount of corruption Well lay out your facts. What are the costs of doing something and what are the costs of doing nothing about climate change. It is not the doing something that is the problem it is the who is expected to take on board all the negative aspects of doing that something. Most of the planet has done nothing about climate change and continued pumping out C02 in increasing quantities. It seems to be making very little difference so perhaps we should reassess the risks. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:23:13 GMT
It certainly won't do anything to change the climate. It's rather like doing a rain-dance in your back garden and expecting the Sahara to turn green again. So do nothing? Carry on pumping out Co2 and ignore the warnings. Are you in the "Its a conspiracy to bankrupt the West " camp. Or the "I know better than the worlds leading scientific institutions" camp? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:24:06 GMT
It certainly won't do anything to change the climate. It's rather like doing a rain-dance in your back garden and expecting the Sahara to turn green again. In around 15,000 years time the Sahara will turn green again without us pissing on our parched lawns. 15,000 years before Zany finds out CO2 was never to blame. Not all of us have lived 15,000 years like you. (Love the avatar) |
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Post by sandypine on Mar 23, 2023 16:46:30 GMT
It certainly won't do anything to change the climate. It's rather like doing a rain-dance in your back garden and expecting the Sahara to turn green again. So do nothing? Carry on pumping out Co2 and ignore the warnings. Are you in the "Its a conspiracy to bankrupt the West " camp. Or the "I know better than the worlds leading scientific institutions" camp? So far the world's leading scientific institutions have managed to get most of their predictions wrong. 5 years to save the planet, 7 years to save the planet, tipping points have been reached, any increase in C02 will see runaway climate change, arctic sea ice will be gone in the next decade, snow will be a thing of the past for our children. All these have come and gone and we are still waiting for Himalayan Glaciers to disappear in 2035 whilst some are actually increasing in mass. Once you have cried wolf and nothing happens then you have to be ever more careful with your shouts of wolf. So far we have listened and when the dire predictions do not materialise despite an enormous increase in emissions then we have to wonder if the world's leading scientific institutions know what they are talking about or is their message a political one designed not to save the planet but to create a brave new world. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 16:48:54 GMT
In case any of you haven't realised a average 0.8 degree increase in temperature does not mean everywhere got 0.8 degrees warmer. Some places are 4 degrees warmer than their 1950 to 1980 average.
To put that in perspective that means a 25% rise in temperature.
A one-degree global change is significant because it takes a vast amount of heat to warm all of the oceans, the atmosphere, and the land masses by that much. In the past, a one- to two-degree drop was all it took to plunge the Earth into the Little Ice Age. A five-degree drop was enough to bury a large part of North America under a towering mass of ice 20,000 years ago.
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Post by Orac on Mar 23, 2023 16:55:10 GMT
My estimation is that Britain's aggressive net zero enforcement (if it can be enforced) will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people And your consideration of the cost of doing nothing? The cost of doing nothing is implied here - net zero enforcement will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 16:59:42 GMT
And your consideration of the cost of doing nothing? The cost of doing nothing is implied here - net zero enforcement will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people. ^^^^^ That doesn't bother the fanatics, especially those who have the wherewithal to meet the costs. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 23, 2023 17:01:11 GMT
Where as gas totally reliable. Unless someone blows up the pipeline or some dictator turns the tap off. That's why the emergency coal power stations are getting ready. But we're not there yet with renewables and no one is saying we are. Apologies missed this. ZG, we have billions of cubic metres of shale gas in the ground ' in this country'. But rather than exploiting our own natural resources, last December Sunak signed a deal with Biden for the US to supply the UK with billions of cubic metres of shale gas! How on earth does that make sense? It's economics of the mad house. |
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Post by thescotsman on Mar 23, 2023 17:05:11 GMT
In case any of you haven't realised a average 0.8 degree increase in temperature does not mean everywhere got 0.8 degrees warmer. Some places are 4 degrees warmer than their 1950 to 1980 average. To put that in perspective that means a 25% rise in temperature. ...ah yes and going forward the models on models model modeled on ranges predicted by models on models modeled on ranges...ad infinitum...until you have an absurd array of modeled ranges from which you cherry pick the one that suits you.... yup got you |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 23, 2023 17:05:11 GMT
In around 15,000 years time the Sahara will turn green again without us pissing on our parched lawns. 15,000 years before Zany finds out CO2 was never to blame. Not all of us have lived 15,000 years like you. (Love the avatar) The avatar is a recent photo of me for Slimming World. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:17:22 GMT
And your consideration of the cost of doing nothing? The cost of doing nothing is implied here - net zero enforcement will do nothing but economically ruin the UK and strip important liberties from its people. So you believe that doing to stop climate change will have no cost. And you think I have tunnel vision. So the new £160,000,000 coastal defences currently being built along the South coast of Britain due to increased height in wind driven tidal surges are not a cost of climate change. A vanity project perhaps? Or a ruse the bankrupt the west? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 23, 2023 17:18:02 GMT
Not all of us have lived 15,000 years like you. (Love the avatar) The avatar is a recent photo of me for Slimming World. Seems to be working for you.  |
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