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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 19:46:58 GMT
Very few will have missed Provox's views, though as a fellow conspiracy theorist he would be a shining light to you and those theories weren't confined to the Crimean war. Do you recognise conspiracy facts when they are presented? … I’ve noticed some on here switch off as soon as the ‘C’ word is mentioned … not sure why … it’s like they can never conceivably believe Western Leadership would ever lie to them … and lead them up the garden path. If you read more posts instead of writing more, you would find several posters who despise western politicians, I'm somewhere in the front rank.Is it Media brainwashing that induces that ‘state of mind’ … MK Ultra programming? … or naivety of someone living in a happy clappy world fuelled by stimulants? The start of another conspiracy theory?When we look at the standard of our political leaders today … especially in the UK ….rest assured we never thought they were such bad, deceptive, corrupt liars out to rip off the Public before…. Was it 40 years of the EU teaching them criminality that made them turn nasty since the Brexit vote?. And another, eespecially if you read my initial answer.
Blanket ignoring ‘conspiracy whistleblowing’ is really the utmost in stupidity … something collective Society should never do … never switch ‘off’ for even a minute with these pro-EU manipulators. The thing with evidence is … look at it ALL… then throw out the bits that don’t ring true. Not looking … is surely not being educated. Blanking suggesting that I and others on here are stupid suggests you know far less than you are letting on. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 12, 2023 20:51:35 GMT
Is it Media brainwashing that induces that ‘state of mind’ … MK Ultra programming? … or naivety of someone living in a happy clappy world fuelled by stimulants? The start of another conspiracy theory?The thing with evidence is … look at it ALL… then throw out the bits that don’t ring true. Not looking … is surely not being educated. Blanking suggesting that I and others on here are stupid suggests you know far less than you are letting on. There you go again … not looking at evidence easily found in seconds on Google …. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltraRepeatedly using the word ‘Theory’ when Conspiracy Fact is the correct expression. Many on here are not “stupid” … just very lazy to research and verify the data that Provox was kind enough to dig out for them. … and formulate an effective counter argument. It was easier to antagonise and provoke … the CIA do it all the time online. << yawn >> Does anyone know which Forum Provox now writes on? … |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 12, 2023 20:56:06 GMT
Is it Media brainwashing that induces that ‘state of mind’ … MK Ultra programming? … or naivety of someone living in a happy clappy world fuelled by stimulants? The start of another conspiracy theory?The thing with evidence is … look at it ALL… then throw out the bits that don’t ring true. Not looking … is surely not being educated. Blanking suggesting that I and others on here are stupid suggests you know far less than you are letting on. There you go again … not looking at evidence easily found in seconds on Google …. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltraRepeatedly using the word ‘Theory’ when Conspiracy Fact is the correct expression. Many on here are not “stupid” … just very lazy to research and verify the data that Provox was kind enough to dig out for them. … and formulate an effective counter argument.
It was easier to antagonise and provoke … the CIA do it all the time online. << yawn >> Does anyone know which Forum Provox now writes on? … Many of those many just don't want to go round and round in circles, something for which both you and Provox seem well equipped. You can now write until your heart's content, I'll not be responding. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 12, 2023 23:17:39 GMT
Not a fan of wiki but this tells you all you need to know about Doug Macgregor..  "His thinking contributed to the US strategy in its 2003 invasion of Iraq." |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 13, 2023 10:52:48 GMT
[Many of those many just don't want to go round and round in circles, something for which both you and Provox seem well equipped. You can now write until your heart's content, I'll not be responding. So calling every bit of research you don’t agree with ‘conspiracy theory’ … then walking away when that is challenged … hmmm …sounds ‘repetitive’ No? …. I guess many go round and round in circles on here … labouring the point, failing to understand really obvious stuff first time around … 🙄. …but I get your point … time many of us moved on with our debates … to fresh territory. [That’s why I stepped off the Ukraine threads and started to explore other topics that were also fringe, more interesting but also contentious. Not everyone’s cup of tea!] |
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 13, 2023 10:58:05 GMT
Tricky, this one.
I absolutely believe in the freeedom to speak an opinion.
However the reality is that an opinionated use of facts is suspicious. Tthe issue isnt what is presented, but what is left out.
I also know that when the Russian offensive started, the internet was awash with new people posting forcibly pro Russian propaganda, using twisted history and exaggerations.
Evventually many of them were banned or made to look stupid and today there are very few of them posting or pronouncing Russian propaganda.
I havent read Provox's posts but his rise and fall seems to be reflective of other pro Russian presences.
Just saying.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Mar 13, 2023 11:32:29 GMT
Tricky, this one. I absolutely believe in the freeedom to speak an opinion. However the reality is that an opinionated use of facts is suspicious. Tthe issue isnt what is presented, but what is left out. I also know that when the Russian offensive started, the internet was awash with new people posting forcibly pro Russian propaganda, using twisted history and exaggerations. Evventually many of them were banned or made to look stupid and today there are very few of them posting or pronouncing Russian propaganda. I havent read Provox's posts but his rise and fall seems to be reflective of other pro Russian presences. Just saying. Sorry, I find your post full of contradictions. … but mirror your point … “in the propaganda war … it’s what’s left out that matters enormously. Most Western people who claim to believe in FREE SPEECH….who arguably don’t look much beyond the BBC/European/American MSM narratives for their sources of news and opinion … who think it acceptable to label + ban people that do their own independent research … like Provox and Sword and many others residing in the West … telling a verifiable history of Ukraine in a detail the BBC has never dared trawl in any of it’s one-sided debates to date. (Roll up, roll up …Brexit deja vu, folks!) … is it wise to make a judgement on Provox’s work … when you admit “I haven’t read Provox’s posts”?? |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 11:52:14 GMT
Anyone any idea whe Provox should be tha subject of a lengthy thread long after he was disqualified? His views were more interesting than most. So were the views of Vlad the Impaler and Hitler, doesn't mean his views were right. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 13, 2023 12:06:34 GMT
His views were more interesting than most. So were the views of Vlad the Impaler and Hitler, doesn't mean his views were right. I don't find that comment interesting. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 13, 2023 12:47:30 GMT
It was an observation of fact.
ProVox was into really weird and ridiculous websites.
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Post by oracle75 on Mar 13, 2023 14:49:07 GMT
Tricky, this one. I absolutely believe in the freeedom to speak an opinion. However the reality is that an opinionated use of facts is suspicious. Tthe issue isnt what is presented, but what is left out. I also know that when the Russian offensive started, the internet was awash with new people posting forcibly pro Russian propaganda, using twisted history and exaggerations. Evventually many of them were banned or made to look stupid and today there are very few of them posting or pronouncing Russian propaganda. I havent read Provox's posts but his rise and fall seems to be reflective of other pro Russian presences. Just saying. Sorry, I find your post full of contradictions. … but mirror your point … “in the propaganda war … it’s what’s left out that matters enormously. Most Western people who claim to believe in FREE SPEECH….who arguably don’t look much beyond the BBC/European/American MSM narratives for their sources of news and opinion … who think it acceptable to label + ban people that do their own independent research … like Provox and Sword and many others residing in the West … telling a verifiable history of Ukraine in a detail the BBC has never dared trawl in any of it’s one-sided debates to date. (Roll up, roll up …Brexit deja vu, folks!) … is it wise to make a judgement on Provox’s work … when you admit “I haven’t read Provox’s posts” I 5h8nk you will find that i made no judgement on his posts. Merely that they appear3d and disappear3d at the same time as other pro Russian posts that were found all over the internet. Whether one reads the MSM and not small orbiting groups is not proof of anything. Often the small stuff is unreliable and written by narcissistic drama queens. Truths today are easier to confirm via drone footage and satellite tracking. In the end it doesnt matter what you think. No one knows you are alive much less that your opinion counts. You may as well play Warhammer, for all it matters. |
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Post by sword on Mar 13, 2023 16:44:26 GMT
Sorry, I find your post full of contradictions. … but mirror your point … “in the propaganda war … it’s what’s left out that matters enormously. Most Western people who claim to believe in FREE SPEECH….who arguably don’t look much beyond the BBC/European/American MSM narratives for their sources of news and opinion … who think it acceptable to label + ban people that do their own independent research … like Provox and Sword and many others residing in the West … telling a verifiable history of Ukraine in a detail the BBC has never dared trawl in any of it’s one-sided debates to date. (Roll up, roll up …Brexit deja vu, folks!) … is it wise to make a judgement on Provox’s work … when you admit “I haven’t read Provox’s posts” I 5h8nk you will find that i made no judgement on his posts. Merely that they appear3d and disappear3d at the same time as other pro Russian posts that were found all over the internet. Whether one reads the MSM and not small orbiting groups is not proof of anything. Often the small stuff is unreliable and written by narcissistic drama queens. Truths today are easier to confirm via drone footage and satellite tracking. In the end it doesnt matter what you think. No one knows you are alive much less that your opinion counts. You may as well play Warhammer, for all it matters. The history of Ukraine in WW2 is well documented,its not a theory that some Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis and took part in the Holocaust,and now we have the sons and grandsons of those collaborators celebrating the Nazis and acting out some grotesque Nazi tribute act,its not a theory its happeneing, but some are in total denial about it,like they are in denial about what happened in 2014,so they have spun this alternative reality,we talk about propaganda well i saw a typical example today on SKY news,Dominic Waghorn was reporting on the recent riots in Georgia he said they were against Russia and he talked about 2008 he said Russia invaded Georgia,he missed out one fact and that was Sackashvili launched a midnight Blitzkrieg against South Osettia killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers thats what prompted the Russians to go in to stop another ethnic cleansing and massacre,Ukraine ring any bells? thats the part SKY missed out of their report. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 13, 2023 18:19:14 GMT
I 5h8nk you will find that i made no judgement on his posts. Merely that they appear3d and disappear3d at the same time as other pro Russian posts that were found all over the internet. Whether one reads the MSM and not small orbiting groups is not proof of anything. Often the small stuff is unreliable and written by narcissistic drama queens. Truths today are easier to confirm via drone footage and satellite tracking. In the end it doesnt matter what you think. No one knows you are alive much less that your opinion counts. You may as well play Warhammer, for all it matters. The history of Ukraine in WW2 is well documented,its not a theory that some Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis and took part in the Holocaust,and now we have the sons and grandsons of those collaborators celebrating the Nazis and acting out some grotesque Nazi tribute act,its not a theory its happeneing, but some are in total denial about it,like they are in denial about what happened in 2014,so they have spun this alternative reality,we talk about propaganda well i saw a typical example today on SKY news,Dominic Waghorn was reporting on the recent riots in Georgia he said they were against Russia and he talked about 2008 he said Russia invaded Georgia,he missed out one fact and that was Sackashvili launched a midnight Blitzkrieg against South Osettia killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers thats what prompted the Russians to go in to stop another ethnic cleansing and massacre,Ukraine ring any bells? thats the part SKY missed out of their report. I hate to point it out but Russia were actually allied to the Nazis and co-ordinated their conquest of Poland together. |
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Post by sword on Mar 13, 2023 20:08:29 GMT
The history of Ukraine in WW2 is well documented,its not a theory that some Ukrainians collaborated with the Nazis and took part in the Holocaust,and now we have the sons and grandsons of those collaborators celebrating the Nazis and acting out some grotesque Nazi tribute act,its not a theory its happeneing, but some are in total denial about it,like they are in denial about what happened in 2014,so they have spun this alternative reality,we talk about propaganda well i saw a typical example today on SKY news,Dominic Waghorn was reporting on the recent riots in Georgia he said they were against Russia and he talked about 2008 he said Russia invaded Georgia,he missed out one fact and that was Sackashvili launched a midnight Blitzkrieg against South Osettia killing civilians and Russian peacekeepers thats what prompted the Russians to go in to stop another ethnic cleansing and massacre,Ukraine ring any bells? thats the part SKY missed out of their report. I hate to point it out but Russia were actually allied to the Nazis and co-ordinated their conquest of Poland together. I hate to point out AGAIN they had a non aggresion pact with the Germans,after we dragged our feet,otherwise over two million German troops would have been right on Russia's Western border much sooner than they were,like Nato are trying to do now. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 13, 2023 20:16:28 GMT
It wasn't non aggression as far as Poland was concerned was it. They agreed they each could invade it.
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