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Post by Equivocal on Mar 9, 2023 14:43:50 GMT
It seems the answer is the violent gesticulating took place after the two came to a halt. "I found William Walker to be reliable and thoughtful. He is a cyclist and driver. He said that you and Mrs Ward appeared to have come to a halt in front of each other and you made a lateral sweeping movement with your left arm which was directed at Mrs Ward. He said “it either made contact or she recoiled and fell”
I guess that explains why there is no appeal against the conviction and, with that fact, the sentence doesn't appear so outlandish.
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Post by sheepy on Mar 9, 2023 14:53:40 GMT
It seems the answer is the violent gesticulating took place after the two came to a halt. "I found William Walker to be reliable and thoughtful. He is a cyclist and driver. He said that you and Mrs Ward appeared to have come to a halt in front of each other and you made a lateral sweeping movement with your left arm which was directed at Mrs Ward. He said “it either made contact or she recoiled and fell”
I guess that explains why there is no appeal against the conviction and, with that fact, the sentence doesn't appear so outlandish.
Except it wasn't fair or impartial. in the first place. The highway code states that tyrannical cyclists should be aware of people who might have sight problems which was brushed aside by the judge as meaningless, it makes sense to appeal against the sentence not the conviction because the law doesn't like being made to look like they have made a mistake in the first place. Another point being is it questions the right of cyclists over pedestrians so the next time a cyclist is killed through their own fault the blame can be passed elsewhere. Just like has happened here. One rule for one but not if you are a cyclist you make your own up. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 9, 2023 18:04:28 GMT
It seems the answer is the violent gesticulating took place after the two came to a halt. "I found William Walker to be reliable and thoughtful. He is a cyclist and driver. He said that you and Mrs Ward appeared to have come to a halt in front of each other and you made a lateral sweeping movement with your left arm which was directed at Mrs Ward. He said “it either made contact or she recoiled and fell”
I guess that explains why there is no appeal against the conviction and, with that fact, the sentence doesn't appear so outlandish.
Well all he had to do was look at the video to see William Walker is a mad fantacist. Both keep moving |
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Post by Equivocal on Mar 9, 2023 19:42:59 GMT
It seems the answer is the violent gesticulating took place after the two came to a halt. "I found William Walker to be reliable and thoughtful. He is a cyclist and driver. He said that you and Mrs Ward appeared to have come to a halt in front of each other and you made a lateral sweeping movement with your left arm which was directed at Mrs Ward. He said “it either made contact or she recoiled and fell”
I guess that explains why there is no appeal against the conviction and, with that fact, the sentence doesn't appear so outlandish.
Well all he had to do was look at the video to see William Walker is a mad fantacist. Both keep moving I must admit I'd not looked at the footage previously. The cyclist certainly appears to be moving as you say. It is possible I'm seeing things, but the woman appears to plant her left foot, stop and push the woman into the road.
I don't know if the cyclist stopped before trying to move past the woman. Is there a better video to look at?
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Post by Steve on Mar 9, 2023 20:24:04 GMT
Pause the YiuTube video at 26 seconds and then use the . key to advance frame by frame until the cyclist is in the road. Neither stops, that witness was either off his trolley or lying on behalf of the Cyclist Master Race party www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eIjOFTB6k |
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Post by Equivocal on Mar 9, 2023 20:36:48 GMT
Pause the YiuTube video at 26 seconds and then use the . key to advance frame by frame until the cyclist is in the road. Neither stops, that witness was either off his trolley or lying on behalf of the Cyclist Master Race party www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eIjOFTB6k Frame by frame I am seeing exactly as I said above.
What I meant was, is there footage of the cyclist's approach?
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Post by Steve on Mar 9, 2023 20:48:50 GMT
Not that I know of but there is no way that witness account matches the video we have.
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Post by Equivocal on Mar 9, 2023 20:53:06 GMT
Not that I know of but there is no way that witness account matches the video we have. Not to worry.
I should say when I read the press reports I was pretty convinced it was a miscarriage. Having read the bits from the judge and watched the video, I've changed my mind.
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Post by Steve on Mar 9, 2023 20:55:52 GMT
Why?
It's full of false statements. There was no stop+confrontation. There was no shared path and it sure looks like there was no 2.4 metre wide path.
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Post by Handyman on Mar 9, 2023 21:04:32 GMT
Darling will just ignore that In Darling's world the nearest person to any accidental death is guilty of at least manslaughter. If a bank robber trips over a pedestrian while running out of the bank and falls into the road and under a bus then said pedestrian is guilty of manslaughter in Darling's distorted world. I notice Darling has no explanation why the cyclist didn't stop as the law requires and just carried on. if you look at the video and advance it as as slow as possible at impact the cyclist is at moving R-L at ~ twice the pedestrian's L-R walking speed (count vertical railings passed between freeze frames). www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4eIjOFTB6k But hey ho seems we now live in times where we have to accept that cyclists are the superior master race, us non cyclists must defer to their every whim and accept blame and punishment for every stupid accident they inflict on themselves. They drive through red traffic lights and if a car hits them it's the car drivers fault, this case is just the latest extension of that tyranny. I wonder how this stacks up: Teenager avoids custody for causing death of pensioner in e-scooter collision
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/teenager-nottinghamshire-department-for-transport-nottingham-nottinghamshire-police-b2296685.htmlYes I read that as well , E Scooters cannot be ridden on footpaths or the highway according to the article only on private land, |
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Post by Equivocal on Mar 9, 2023 21:08:20 GMT
From the video it appears to me there was a great deal more than 'I may have brushed against her' as was the woman's reported response to police questioning. The jury was properly directed and I can understand the verdict.
That's not to say there was no other verdict possible. Perhaps if the woman had given evidence, there might have been something to sway things the other way. Perhaps there will be an appeal against the conviction. Who knows.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 9, 2023 21:11:13 GMT
Yes I read that as well , E Scooters cannot be ridden on footpaths or the highway according to the article only on private land, The two cases have a similarity in what is right and wrong but with totally different outcomes. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 9, 2023 22:10:30 GMT
Yes I read that as well , E Scooters cannot be ridden on footpaths or the highway according to the article only on private land, I'm not sure that is totally accurate. Private e-scooters can only be ridden on private land but those that are part of a local council hire and ride scheme are perfectly legal on public thoroughfares. |
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Post by jonksy on Mar 9, 2023 22:38:36 GMT
Yes I read that as well , E Scooters cannot be ridden on footpaths or the highway according to the article only on private land, First e-scooter rider in Britain to sue over crash loses £30,000 claim after failing to prove existence of pothole she says broke her leg Giovanna Drago claimed she was thrown over the handlebars of her e-scooter The 20-year-old said she was left in agony after hitting the pothole in London - although she admitted she was riding illegally Judge throws out claim after Drago fails to provide evidence of council's neglect
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Post by sheepy on Mar 9, 2023 23:30:31 GMT
Why? It's full of false statements. There was no stop+confrontation. There was no shared path and it sure looks like there was no 2.4 metre wide path. Well there is a thing, it seems you have seen something that has passed others by. |
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