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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 12:51:34 GMT
Creates most exciting economic zone.
So only NI can have tariff free access to SM.
Scotland which is angry enough coming out of the SM to threaten independence and the rest of the UK now said to be disadvantaged because it has no direct access to the SM,
and Sunak admitted such double access is appealing to international investment
If such dual access is so beneficial...
And you voted against it
Can you now tell me why you voted to leave the single market?
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 28, 2023 13:01:27 GMT
I voted to leave the single market because David Cameron stood up and said it would make no sense to leave the EU and not leave the SM
Of course, silly me i thought he was an honest politician giving his honest appraisal
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 13:32:14 GMT
Well now anyone who invests in NI has free access to both the EU and the UK. The operative word is FREE.
Which is what the UK used to have until it cut itself off at the knees.
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Post by sword on Feb 28, 2023 15:44:25 GMT
Creates most exciting economic zone. So only NI can have tariff free access to SM. Scotland which is angry enough coming out of the SM to threaten independence and the rest of the UK now said to be disadvantaged because it has no direct access to the SM, and Sunak admitted such double access is appealing to international investment If such dual access is so beneficial... And you voted against it Can you now tell me why you voted to leave the single market? Yes reality has kicked in as Brexit implodes. |
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Post by sword on Feb 28, 2023 15:45:21 GMT
I voted to leave the single market because David Cameron stood up and said it would make no sense to leave the EU and not leave the SM Of course, silly me i thought he was an honest politician giving his honest appraisal You believed him LOL!! |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 15:50:57 GMT
Leaving the Single Market ended Kim's right of free movement.
Bonus.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 15:51:56 GMT
Creates most exciting economic zone. So only NI can have tariff free access to SM. Scotland which is angry enough coming out of the SM to threaten independence and the rest of the UK now said to be disadvantaged because it has no direct access to the SM, and Sunak admitted such double access is appealing to international investment If such dual access is so beneficial... And you voted against it Can you now tell me why you voted to leave the single market? Yes reality has kicked in as Brexit implodes. ... Not to mention the Tories said in their 12 year history that every part of the UK would be treated equally. So when is the rest of the UK going to have the same benefits? Don't the rest of the UK want the most exciting economic zone in the western world? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 15:53:34 GMT
Every part of the UK has been treated equally, one man one vote.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2023 15:55:36 GMT
For those that are getting a bit carried away - NI only has access to the Single Market in Goods.
As the UK is mainly a services exporter access to a SM in goods is worth not a lot..
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 28, 2023 16:10:15 GMT
I voted to leave the single market because David Cameron stood up and said it would make no sense to leave the EU and not leave the SM Of course, silly me i thought he was an honest politician giving his honest appraisal You believed him LOL!! Of course i fucking didn't he's a fucking politician But he DID say that it would not make sense to keave one and not the other Of course he was saying that from the stance of staying in both |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 16:35:07 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 16:42:33 GMT
The EU is a set of export markets, some important some not.
Some we barely do any trade with at all.
And our biggest export market as a country, is the USA.
At the time of the referendum our percentage of trade with the EU was in decline.
Worth exploring free trade with the USA and with the Commonwealth, something we could not do whilst in customs union with the EU as it has a common external tariff and a bloc wide trade policy.
The interests of Italian tomato farmers are vastly different to our own.
A one size fits non customs union is a bad idea.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 28, 2023 17:30:47 GMT
For those that are getting a bit carried away - NI only has access to the Single Market in Goods.As the UK is mainly a services exporter access to a SM in goods is worth not a lot.. The EU is the UK's 2nd largest export market. and as has been pointed out - a market share in decline. And that was while we were in the Single Market.. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 28, 2023 18:37:12 GMT
Well I'll take you through it.
Once.
When the EU, so called now, was set up, it dealt as a single market between 4 countries.
So almost 100% of trade was with the group.
As it started to settle down the commissioners, representatives of the EU made trade deals outside itself.
The EU became bigger until it reached 28 countries, but they preferred to trade with each other because it was cheaper.
So the commissioners made good deals with other countries and the 28 began to trade with a bigger and bigger number of partners
Until one day
The amount of business the EU did outside the EU was more than that which they did inside itself. With agreements with over 80 countries, it is expected that internal EU trade becomes less by comparison.
Instead of EU trade declining, EU trade has been a success.
Haven't you in the last 6 years discussed this before?
If so, why are you still speaking idiot?
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 19:02:02 GMT
I'll talk YOU through it.
David Cameron announced that he would reform the EU.
He boasted that he would reform the EU.
He failed to achieve the reforms he sought, then held defeat up as triumph decided to campaign for remain and sent a leaflet to every household in the UK at the cost of £9m.
He then lost said referendum and resigned.
Theresa May became Prime Minister and held a vote to trigger article 50.
Then Parliament voted to trigger article 50.
Then she foolishly held a General Election and lost her majority despite increasing her vote because Labour shot her fox and campaigned on a pro Brexit ticket (gaining 30 seats).
After two years of negotiations remoaners like Starmer kept forcing article 50 extensions, Theresa May resigned, Boris became PM, there was another General Election, Labour stood on an anti Brexit ticket and lost 80 seats.
Then we left.
Before the referendum the percentage of trade with the EU fell from 54% of exports in 2000, to 43% in 2016. And would have continued falling had we remained members, maybe at a slower rate, but it would have continued falling.
And how far does the percentage have to fall before membership becomes pointless ? 38%? 35% ? 33% ? 28%? 20% ?
At what point do even the most die hard of remoaners realise it is not worth it ?
Factory after factory closed WHILST WE WERE MEMBERS.
Even Cadburys outsourced to Poland sacking hundreds of workers here.
Ford stopped making cars here in 2000 and Transit vans in 2012.
Try and find a way to blame that on Brexit I dare you.
It wasn't working and we're out.
I know you have a religious fanatical love for the EU, but it was not working.
And 17.41 million of us voted leave because we can see that the EU is shit.
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