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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 14:14:31 GMT
NI must "consult" EU on tax changes, with Brussels holding the whip hand
BREXIT BETRAYAL: Insiders tell me Sunak's treaty is a "whitewash"
🇪🇺 EU supremacy on VAT, state aid & trade
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 14:15:12 GMT
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 14:36:00 GMT
Boris Johnson Will Find It "Very Difficult" To Vote For Rishi Sunak's Northern Ireland Deal
Boris Johnson has said Prime Minister Rishi Sunak's Windsor Framework deal is "not about the UK taking back control" and that he would struggle to support it in his first public comments on the agreement
"When I look at the deal, I have mixed feelings. I am conscious of, and I am not going to be thanked for saying this, but I think it is my job to do so, this is not about the UK taking back control," he said.
This is a version of what was offered to Liz Truss. This is the EU allowing us to do what we want by their laws, not ours."
He added: "We've got to hope it works and genuinely reduces frictions. What it will not do is allow goods made in Northern Ireland to UK standards unless they're also made to EU standards."
The comments by Johnson, who remains influential among Brexiteer Conservatives, are likely to reinflame tensions over Sunak's Brexit deal when it is put before MPs.
Johnson has already reportedly told the DUP to think hard about the deal before sigining off on it, especially around concerns linked to the ongoing role of the European Court of Justice in Northern Ireland.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2023 17:39:13 GMT
If they become Irish citizens.. I have already made that point. Of course the process that allows them to become Irish citizens has been in place for 25 years now and has nothing at all to do with Brexit, Sunaks deal or even EU membership in the first place. The original protocol , and sunaks revised effort , both endorse the right of british citizens in northern ireland to hold european passports , european citizenship and live under european court jurisdiction. I'm not aware of anyone suggesting that Brexit or the Protocol should bring to an end the GFA. The Protocol might achieve that, but I'm certain that nobody who negotiated the Protocol had that as a negotiating aim. . Now you are just being daft - if Brexit didn't apply to NI we wouldn't need the Protocol in the first place... |
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 17:47:44 GMT
The original protocol , and sunaks revised effort , both endorse the right of british citizens in northern ireland to hold european passports , european citizenship and live under european court jurisdiction. I'm not aware of anyone suggesting that Brexit or the Protocol should bring to an end the GFA. Errr........................it was said from day one brexit was incompatible with the GFA ,and northern ireland was entertwined within the EU. Brexiters said brexit was a uk vote and the whole of the yookay had to leave.
We have now had succesive tory prime ministers endorse protocols in which northern ireland is to remain in the eu , with all the red lines brexiters hated..............now you are trying to dance on the head of a pin and suggest brexit was never about ending the GFA?
Why do you think the DUP enthusastically supported brexit? They thought brexit would bring back a hard border between them and the republic , and instead , it ended up in the irish sea between them and bwitain.
Stope it noo pacifico. We have went full circle from your denial about citizenship rights etc to you trying to tell me brexit wasnt about ending the GFA.
Like i said mate ,each day , and rishi the remainers greatest protocol in history deal sinks further in the mud as the small print is slowly read out bit by bit. 
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Post by thomas on Mar 5, 2023 17:50:46 GMT
The original protocol , and sunaks revised effort , both endorse the right of british citizens in northern ireland to hold european passports , european citizenship and live under european court jurisdiction. . Now you are just being daft - if Brexit didn't apply to NI we wouldn't need the Protocol in the first place... So if brexit applies in northern ireland , you wont mind when keir starmer makes brexit work by giving the rest of the uk the same deal , including ecj jurisdiction , european citizenship and passport rights etc etc including freedom of movement to us?
Right ho mate. I will get on the phone to sir keir and tell him the brexiter spokesperson on this forum has waved away the old brexiter red lines , and we can have BRINO too.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 5, 2023 18:13:45 GMT
. Now you are just being daft - if Brexit didn't apply to NI we wouldn't need the Protocol in the first place... So if brexit applies in northern ireland , you wont mind when keir starmer makes brexit work by giving the rest of the uk the same deal , including ecj jurisdiction , european citizenship and passport rights etc etc including freedom of movement to us?
Right ho mate. I will get on the phone to sir keir and tell him the brexiter spokesperson on this forum has waved away the old brexiter red lines , and we can have BRINO too. Well as I have said (repeatedly) that I thought that EFTA was a reasonable compromise given the split in opinion in the country, you seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick on this issue as well.. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 7:53:51 GMT
So if brexit applies in northern ireland , you wont mind when keir starmer makes brexit work by giving the rest of the uk the same deal , including ecj jurisdiction , european citizenship and passport rights etc etc including freedom of movement to us?
Right ho mate. I will get on the phone to sir keir and tell him the brexiter spokesperson on this forum has waved away the old brexiter red lines , and we can have BRINO too. Well as I have said (repeatedly) that I thought that EFTA was a reasonable compromise given the split in opinion in the country, you seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick on this issue as well.. Another dodge?
No worries pacifico. The uk will never be allowed to join EFTA , as the norwegians and many others have said .
Anniken Huitfeldt, head of the Foreign and Defence committee and a Labour member, said she was not interested in the UK joining either Efta or the European economic area, the single market grouping that assembles the EU and and Efta members. She said: “We do not encourage them. It is not in Norway’s interests to bring Britain into the EEA … The UK should never have voted to leave the EU in the first place.”
I mean we are just going around in circles with tory brexiters , as they stumble from one car crash to the next , and re rake over the coals of past arguments looking for the latest face saving excercise.
7 years now , if not more , we have been hearing the same fantasy punted of the uk cake eating and getting all the pros of the latest fantasy deal with non of the cons. In reality , the simple fact is pacifico the uk is receiving an object lesson in its place in this world as a minor regional entity rather than the world power it once was a century ago.
I havent got the wrong end of any stick. Its rather embarressing reading some of the replies on here .
We have to drag tory brexiters kicking and screaming on every topic to accept reality , then they toddle off once more under a rock to crawl out at a later date to voice the latest fantasy of return of empire , which is then slapped down with aplomb , and then its rinse and repeat.
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 8:01:52 GMT
So if brexit applies in northern ireland , you wont mind when keir starmer makes brexit work by giving the rest of the uk the same deal , including ecj jurisdiction , european citizenship and passport rights etc etc including freedom of movement to us?
Right ho mate. I will get on the phone to sir keir and tell him the brexiter spokesperson on this forum has waved away the old brexiter red lines , and we can have BRINO too. Well as I have said (repeatedly) that I thought that EFTA was a reasonable compromise given the split in opinion in the country, you seem to have got hold of the wrong end of the stick on this issue as well.. By the way hard core brexiters repeatedly rejected EFTA as a solution as a surrender of bwitish sovereignty. Been there seen that done that. Like i said , round and round we go.
This is all stuff you tories and brexiters were rejecting under Theresa mays tenure . 
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 8:13:44 GMT
This is all stuff you tories and brexiters were rejecting under Theresa mays tenure .
Another example of you getting the wrong end of the stick - it was the Remain supporting majority in Parliament that rejected EFTA |
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 8:22:05 GMT
This is all stuff you tories and brexiters were rejecting under Theresa mays tenure .
Another example of you getting the wrong end of the stick - it was the Remain supporting majority in Parliament that rejected EFTA Boris johnson voted against EFTA........
Stope it now pacifico , its getting embarressing now.
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 8:33:31 GMT
Pacifico.....it was the evil remainers in westminster who rejected EFTA.
Boris johnson........pacifico....hold my beer mate.
I mean what do we expect from a country that votes how the telegraph tells it , and puts the scotland flag up to celebrate a welsh saints day.
International ridicule of the highest order. laughable. It really is.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 6, 2023 9:23:43 GMT
Remoaning loser who never wanted to honour democracy doesn't like result, who'd have thought it?
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Post by thomas on Mar 6, 2023 10:50:04 GMT
Remoaning loser who never wanted to honour democracy doesn't like result, who'd have thought it? Who are we talking about vinny?
I was helping pacifico with his latest tory party deflection.....EFTA , and how tory brexiters didnt support the uk applying for it .No to mention the members not wanting the uk if they did.
On a personal level , i voted remain in 2016 , as a lukewarm pro european , and as many people on this forum like borchester , sheepy , black is white and others can tell you , vigorously supported the implementation of the 2016 referendum as a must to honour demcoracy however much i felt it the wrong decision.
I didnt support remainers overturning the vote .
Now its been implemented , and we can see the disaster brexit has been , then democracy means it can now be overturned if the electorate so wish at the next general election.
I know you dont like people getting votes , and dont understand democracy but there you go.
I cant help it if kemi badenoch , suella braverman and boris johnson didint support EFTA , along with the majority of tory brexiters. The tory brexiters won an 80 seat majority in the 2019 general election , and if EFTA was the desired wish , they could have voted it through and applied for it at any time. So pacificos latest deflection it was all some big remainer conspiracy , like much of brexiters nonsensical rubbish , doesnt hold any water.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 6, 2023 11:48:09 GMT
Another example of you getting the wrong end of the stick - it was the Remain supporting majority in Parliament that rejected EFTA Boris johnson voted against EFTA........
Stope it now pacifico , its getting embarressing now.
Parliament at that time consisted of 70% remain supporting MP's - had they wanted EFTA membership we would have it by now. Try and learn something about the subject at least.. |
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