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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 8, 2023 14:10:17 GMT
I like the Tory marriage law better. When the tories win an election in scotland , they can bring in tory laws.... The only slight flaw there being as far back as 2010 LABOUR candidates were saying the age of marriage should raised to 18 |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 14:21:49 GMT
When the tories win an election in scotland , they can bring in tory laws.... The only slight flaw there being as far back as 2010 LABOUR candidates were saying the age of marriage should raised to 18 labour were in charge of scotland as the main party for something like 8o years , including stints as the main party of scotland and uk government. They could have changed scots law on marriage any time , but didnt.
They were in charge at holyrood from 1999 to 2007 , with many of the same labour candidates standing in 2010 as stood previously earlier.
Scotland has been in this accursed union for 300 years john. The marriage laws and differences have stood that entire time . not once has a uk party changed them.
Told you before , scotland has a different relationship to england than wales does. Wales native laws of hywel da were ended by the english in the 16th century due in part to englands right of conquest. Tht never happened in scotland .
The independence of scotland marriage laws ,( church) and the wider legal system were the price westmisnter paid to gain union with scotland unlike ireland and wales.
Vinny seems to think all things that are different between scotland and england are a result of devolution , which is how bad education in anglo saxon land is these days. 300 year old laws and customs that are different only suddenly become noticed by those professing to love and want the uk to remain as one.
Thats what comes of teaching people in england that great britain is merely one greater england..........
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 8, 2023 15:14:14 GMT
I overheard a conversation between some schoolgirls on a bus. One of them was Muslim and said that her parents would find her a suitable husband ... so she didn't have to go through all the hassle of finding one for herself. One of the other girls, a white English girl, said: "I wish my parents would do the same for me".
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 8, 2023 16:40:33 GMT
The only slight flaw there being as far back as 2010 LABOUR candidates were saying the age of marriage should raised to 18 labour were in charge of scotland as the main party for something like 8o years , including stints as the main party of scotland and uk government. They could have changed scots law on marriage any time , but didnt.
They were in charge at holyrood from 1999 to 2007 , with many of the same labour candidates standing in 2010 as stood previously earlier.
Scotland has been in this accursed union for 300 years john. The marriage laws and differences have stood that entire time . not once has a uk party changed them.
Told you before , scotland has a different relationship to england than wales does. Wales native laws of hywel da were ended by the english in the 16th century due in part to englands right of conquest. Tht never happened in scotland .
The independence of scotland marriage laws ,( church) and the wider legal system were the price westmisnter paid to gain union with scotland unlike ireland and wales.
Vinny seems to think all things that are different between scotland and england are a result of devolution , which is how bad education in anglo saxon land is these days. 300 year old laws and customs that are different only suddenly become noticed by those professing to love and want the uk to remain as one.
Thats what comes of teaching people in england that great britain is merely one greater england..........
I know, Thomas I was referring to your statement that tory law requires tory MPs north of the border Because it remains the case that two sitting Labour MPs and two wannabes told me to my face during the 2010 campaign that it was a party objective to raise the minimum age to marry to 18. So they were saying, rightly or wrongly, it was THEIR party policy to do this. Meaning it’s not exclusively tory law I think you can pick up my feelings on this measure fairly easily. I hear what its aiming to stop but its a dumbass clusterfuck of a way to do it. Yes i know marriage at 16 may not be wise. But that didnt stop a hell of a lot of people including my brother and my co workers in my defence job from doing it. Admittedly they had JOBS at a time when low waged low skilled workers at the start of their working lives could afford council tribunal set rents … Yes the world in which they lived their early married lives has gone to hell in a handcart. Im not sure making it illegal forba child to be born in wedlock is the way out though. Has ANYONE responsible for this law been forced to give their answer to why they force the girl to spawn a bastard ? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 8, 2023 16:58:53 GMT
I overheard a conversation between some schoolgirls on a bus. One of them was Muslim and said that her parents would find her a suitable husband ... so she didn't have to go through all the hassle of finding one for herself. One of the other girls, a white English girl, said: "I wish my parents would do the same for me". Way back in about 2003 i worked with an indian guy on a radar setup at marconi chelmsford. He was Hindu and his parents were chucked out of Uganda by Idi Amin I suppose i ought to say now, the Ugandan Asians chucked out by Idi were there because their fathers or grandfathers had heard and obeyed the call of their King and Emperor George (the fifth, i think) to go from the land of their birth to the African Continent, there to administer His Majesty’s Imperial Interests On That Continent In His Name. They were his subjects every but as much as my grandfather and great grandfather. They held British passports identical to the one i had at three years old (yes, unusual but it let me travel with either parent without the other, which might have been needed) So i say unreservedly every one of them had the right to call on us for help. Now, with that out of the way… While working on these military radars with me this chap revealed he had gone through two arranged marriages, one to a girl his parents and her parents had set up when they were barely teenagers in the UK, entered into when she was 18 and he 20. It didn’t work out. Both sets of parents took it with good grace and they both married again in their mid 20’s, again to people whose parents had known their parents for years while in Uganda It was bloody strange a year later to be invited to his brother’s wedding in Chelmsford. First because there myst have been about 500 wedding guests. Secondly because all the parties to the failed marriages and remarriages were there, and no one was getting murdered. I look at the vitriolic shambles that other matrimonial unions friends and colleagues of mine entered into that later crashed and burned and i have to say, there might be something in this arranged marriages business…. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 8, 2023 16:59:06 GMT
labour were in charge of scotland as the main party for something like 8o years , including stints as the main party of scotland and uk government. They could have changed scots law on marriage any time , but didnt.
They were in charge at holyrood from 1999 to 2007 , with many of the same labour candidates standing in 2010 as stood previously earlier.
Scotland has been in this accursed union for 300 years john. The marriage laws and differences have stood that entire time . not once has a uk party changed them.
Told you before , scotland has a different relationship to england than wales does. Wales native laws of hywel da were ended by the english in the 16th century due in part to englands right of conquest. Tht never happened in scotland .
The independence of scotland marriage laws ,( church) and the wider legal system were the price westmisnter paid to gain union with scotland unlike ireland and wales.
Vinny seems to think all things that are different between scotland and england are a result of devolution , which is how bad education in anglo saxon land is these days. 300 year old laws and customs that are different only suddenly become noticed by those professing to love and want the uk to remain as one.
Thats what comes of teaching people in england that great britain is merely one greater england..........
I know, Thomas I was referring to your statement that tory law requires tory MPs north of the border john ,it doesnt. It was a tongue in cheek remark to vinny.
You do know how prior to devolution , in the days of the old unitary state ,the uk worked dont you.?
When uk wide legislation was passed in westmisnter , that was then passed into scottish law , and english ( which covered wales) law. So as the tories over the last hundred years have governed the uk roughly two thirds of that time including scotland , they could have set a uk wide marriage law.........but didnt. You go figure why.
Labour govened the other third , the same for them , and they didnt.
aye john , but they were probably talking about england and wales mate.
sure , but you just have to accept its our culture its our law and tradition. What you do in wales is your affair john. If the welsh people want to set the marriage age to 25 , they can for all i care.
just dont tell us we have to thanks.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 8, 2023 23:13:23 GMT
Back on to topic, this is about the law the Commons have made.
And it's a good law.
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Mar 9, 2023 21:50:10 GMT
In Scotland in the early 19th century wealthy spinsters who couldn't find a husband sometimes had arranged marriages ... with teenage boys younger women had no interest in.
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Post by happyjack on Mar 11, 2023 7:51:22 GMT
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sure , but you just have to accept its our culture its our law and tradition..
It might be our culture and our law and tradition but the UN considers a marriage where one or both parties is under 18 to be child marriage and is pushing for this to be wiped out across the globe by 2030. The UK has signed up to this, hence the change in the law in England and Wales, and the pending change in law in NI once Stormont finally gets going again. However, to my knowledge, SNP ScotGov, shamefully in my view, has shown no sign of following suit (and, indeed, has said that it has no plans to do so at present). Let’s hope that the imminent change in First Minister will bring about a change in attitude on this issue. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 11, 2023 9:31:54 GMT
Arranged marriages banned, marriages and civil partnerships moved to 18, what do you think? I think it should be UK wide law, but it's a good start in England and Wales. no thanks vinny.
So, while the rest of the world moves towards a minimum age of 18, you want Scotland to discredit itself by continuing to permit child marriages - including, presumably, given that you do not wish to see arranged marriages banned either, those marriages of unsuitable older men to 16 and 17 year old girls that are “facilitated” by senior family members and others in certain communities. Shameful! www.personnelchecks.co.uk/latest-news/campaigners-hail-uks-new-law-raising-minimum-marriage-age-to-18 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2023 18:12:11 GMT
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sure , but you just have to accept its our culture its our law and tradition..
It might be our culture and our law and tradition but the UN considers a marriage where one or both parties is under 18 to be child marriage and is pushing for this to be wiped out across the globe by 2030. The UK has signed up to this, hence the change in the law in England and Wales, and the pending change in law in NI once Stormont finally gets going again. However, to my knowledge, SNP ScotGov, shamefully in my view, has shown no sign of following suit (and, indeed, has said that it has no plans to do so at present). Let’s hope that the imminent change in First Minister will bring about a change in attitude on this issue. Does the UN consider having sex with a person under 18, "child sex" or having sex with a minor or statutory rape? Rhetorical question, of course. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 12, 2023 13:48:14 GMT
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sure , but you just have to accept its our culture its our law and tradition..
It might be our culture and our law and tradition but the UN considers a marriage where one or both parties is under 18 to be child marriage and is pushing for this to be wiped out across the globe by 2030. The UK has signed up to this, hence the change in the law in England and Wales, and the pending change in law in NI once Stormont finally gets going again. However, to my knowledge, SNP ScotGov, shamefully in my view, has shown no sign of following suit (and, indeed, has said that it has no plans to do so at present). Let’s hope that the imminent change in First Minister will bring about a change in attitude on this issue. perhaps instead of worrying about proposals from the un on the age of marriage , the uk should first adhere to the UN resolution on handing back the chagos islands to the chagossians?
Shamefully the uk government has shown no willingness to do so. Instead we have unionists like you going nutty over any differences they see between scotland and englandshire under different laws and legal systems you once claimed didnt exist , while as ever ignoring the illegal occupation of the chagos islands and forecfull deportation of the inhabitants.
The United Nations general assembly has overwhelmingly backed a motion condemning Britain’s occupation of the remote Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean.
The 116-6 vote left the UK diplomatically isolated and was also a measure of severely diminished US clout on the world stage
General assembly strongly condemns British occupation of Indian Ocean territory
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Post by borchester on Mar 12, 2023 14:24:59 GMT
It might be our culture and our law and tradition but the UN considers a marriage where one or both parties is under 18 to be child marriage and is pushing for this to be wiped out across the globe by 2030. The UK has signed up to this, hence the change in the law in England and Wales, and the pending change in law in NI once Stormont finally gets going again. However, to my knowledge, SNP ScotGov, shamefully in my view, has shown no sign of following suit (and, indeed, has said that it has no plans to do so at present). Let’s hope that the imminent change in First Minister will bring about a change in attitude on this issue. Does the UN consider having sex with a person under 18, "child sex" or having sex with a minor or statutory rape? Rhetorical question, of course. Dunno, but if the UN thinks that it can ban playing cheekies behind the bicycle sheds then I suspect that it is mistaken |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 12, 2023 19:23:37 GMT
It might be our culture and our law and tradition but the UN considers a marriage where one or both parties is under 18 to be child marriage and is pushing for this to be wiped out across the globe by 2030. The UK has signed up to this, hence the change in the law in England and Wales, and the pending change in law in NI once Stormont finally gets going again. However, to my knowledge, SNP ScotGov, shamefully in my view, has shown no sign of following suit (and, indeed, has said that it has no plans to do so at present). Let’s hope that the imminent change in First Minister will bring about a change in attitude on this issue. perhaps instead of worrying about proposals from the un on the age of marriage , the uk should first adhere to the UN resolution on handing back the chagos islands to the chagossians?
Shamefully the uk government has shown no willingness to do so. Instead we have unionists like you going nutty over any differences they see between scotland and englandshire under different laws and legal systems you once claimed didnt exist , while as ever ignoring the illegal occupation of the chagos islands and forecfull deportation of the inhabitants.
The United Nations general assembly has overwhelmingly backed a motion condemning Britain’s occupation of the remote Chagos Islands in the Indian Ocean.
The 116-6 vote left the UK diplomatically isolated and was also a measure of severely diminished US clout on the world stage
General assembly strongly condemns British occupation of Indian Ocean territory
Wow, a massive deflection from you rather than addressing the point. I am not surprised, mind you, as even you must realise how unpalatable your position on child marriage is. And the UK government obviously isn’t worrying about the UN’s proposals on preventing child marriage because it has already honoured its commitment to raise the minimum marriage age etc, at least as much as it can given the devolution rules. It is now down to ScotGov to do the only decent thing and follow suit. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 12, 2023 22:51:15 GMT
... we have unionists like you ...
There are no unionists like me. I have no ideological leanings towards the union, so I am not a unionist, and it follows that anybody like me is not a unionist either. As I have repeatedly said to Indy types, just convince me that Scotland will be financially better off if we leave the UK and I will be won over to the Indy cause. Nobody has ever come close to doing that but if and when someone does then you can count me in (and probably the majority of my fellow NO voters too). Those whom you manage to win over on this basis will also currently not be unionists - just Indy sceptics, like me.
Oh, and maybe while you are doing so, desist from all the “wha’s like us” or grudge bearing or grievance stirring stuff. That might have helped win over converts to the cause so far, but it will just alienate those of us you still need to convince. It’s our heads that you need to win over - not our hearts.
going nutty over any differences they see between scotland and englandshire under different laws and legal systems you once claimed didnt exist
I invite you to show me where I claimed that different legal systems don’t exist in different parts of the UK. While you are trawling through that early exchange looking to prove yourself right on this one, you should revisit the definition of “UK law” that I provided and you will see that it clearly recognises that different laws and legal systems are in operation in different parts of the country.
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