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Post by Toreador on Mar 7, 2023 14:40:40 GMT
I've already said that my primary schools had classes of around 50, all well disciplined and all well taught by good dedicated teachers. Perhaps you missed out.  It is likely that there has always been isolated cases of very good schools, NL made an effort to increase the number of very good schools. I was talking about when I was a kid and you were a babe in arms.  Harold Wilson had the opposite effect and the only effect Blair and NL had was regurgitating old intentions as if they were new ideas, he was famous for it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 18:16:15 GMT
So at the same time as the kids were becoming 300% more intelligent thanks to all this investment our international Pisa scores were falling.. Funny that  PISA tests are for 15 year old students as a whole. Funny how it all went down hill after 2012. But why did it go down if the kids were 300% more intelligent? - if you are using GCSE's as a measure of success then why did they shoot through the roof but our Pisa scores fall. Perhaps GCSE's just got easier? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 7, 2023 19:48:30 GMT
PISA tests are for 15 year old students as a whole. Funny how it all went down hill after 2012. But why did it go down if the kids were 300% more intelligent? - if you are using GCSE's as a measure of success then why did they shoot through the roof but our Pisa scores fall. Perhaps GCSE's just got easier? Why not stop making your stupid comment that the kids were 300% more intelligent. GCSEs and Pisa results are as different as chalk and cheese. One addresses the certification of students the other takes a look at the educational states of all the 15 year old in education. Most of the improvements in certification including A and A* came under New Labour and started to fall under the Tories, Why not answer why that happened? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 7, 2023 19:51:41 GMT
It is likely that there has always been isolated cases of very good schools, NL made an effort to increase the number of very good schools. I was talking about when I was a kid and you were a babe in arms. Harold Wilson had the opposite effect and the only effect Blair and NL had was regurgitating old intentions as if they were new ideas, he was famous for it. Passes in A and in A* increased under NL, that is the results of actions not old intentions. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 7, 2023 20:01:54 GMT
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Post by see2 on Mar 7, 2023 20:26:53 GMT
There's nothing wrong with grammar school education. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 7, 2023 21:43:40 GMT
I was talking about when I was a kid and you were a babe in arms. Harold Wilson had the opposite effect and the only effect Blair and NL had was regurgitating old intentions as if they were new ideas, he was famous for it. Passes in A and in A* increased under NL, that is the results of actions not old intentions. Maybe the exams got easier, it's the sort of thing Blair would invent. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 7, 2023 22:40:38 GMT
But why did it go down if the kids were 300% more intelligent? - if you are using GCSE's as a measure of success then why did they shoot through the roof but our Pisa scores fall. Perhaps GCSE's just got easier? Why not stop making your stupid comment that the kids were 300% more intelligent. but that is what you claimed - are you now rowing back from that claim? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 8, 2023 10:23:58 GMT
Why not stop making your stupid comment that the kids were 300% more intelligent. but that is what you claimed - are you now rowing back from that claim? No it is not. It is something you have invented. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 8, 2023 11:31:34 GMT
but that is what you claimed - are you now rowing back from that claim? No it is not. It is something you have invented. Well the increase in exam passes can only be one of 2 things - either the exams have got easier (my contention) or the kids are 300% more intelligent (your contention). |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 8, 2023 11:41:48 GMT
No it is not. It is something you have invented. Well the increase in exam passes can only be one of 2 things - either the exams have got easier (my contention) or the kids are 300% more intelligent (your contention). Do you mean they are 300% more intelligent, or the number of passes increased? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 8, 2023 16:15:52 GMT
Passes in A and in A* increased under NL, that is the results of actions not old intentions. Maybe the exams got easier, it's the sort of thing Blair would invent. That is a good example of nasty right-wing insinuating lying propaganda, the very sort of propaganda that has allowed the vastly overrated Tory party to dominate and lead the country's poor planning and social damage since 1951. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 8, 2023 16:19:09 GMT
Well the increase in exam passes can only be one of 2 things - either the exams have got easier (my contention) or the kids are 300% more intelligent (your contention). Do you mean they are 300% more intelligent, or the number of passes increased? He probably has no idea, it just one of the things he thinks up that seem to make sense to him. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 8, 2023 16:25:33 GMT
No it is not. It is something you have invented. Well the increase in exam passes can only be one of 2 things - either the exams have got easier (my contention) or the kids are 300% more intelligent (your contention). Or more students are now capable of passing the tests. I have never accepted your ridiculous notion that "kids are 300% more intelligent" nor your slimy insinuation that exams have got easier. |
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Post by ratcliff on Mar 8, 2023 16:25:43 GMT
In my day those who failed the 11-plus went to secondary modern and if they did well for a couple of years they could take an exam which, if passed, would allow them to go to a technical college; perhaps Liverpool was deprived of such availability. There is no charge for this service. Of course not, but that second chance for some at age 13 came no where near to rescuing the failures surrounding the 11+ system and grammar school education. My daughter had a problem which started with writing letters and numbers back to front, and trying to read from right to left. The problem was pretty much sorted out in her last year at junior school. She started senior school in the remedial class. I can tell you in absolute honesty that she left school with 6 GCSE passes, the most passes achieved by anyone at that school in that year. 6 GCSE passes was the best that school could do? Either the cohort was especially poor or teachers majorly inept to have such spectacularly dreadful results Hopefully the school was put into special measures and has been improved |
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Harold Wilson had the opposite effect and the only effect Blair and NL had was regurgitating old intentions as if they were new ideas, he was famous for it.
