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Post by zanygame on Mar 2, 2023 9:39:40 GMT
From the guy who had a lockup selling roof insulation.  5,500sq.ft. of modern manufacturing buildings actually, try some Namzeric OK enough of the baiting, I know you enjoy it but its not for me. I know you did well and you should be proud of it. I didn't pass my 11+ but then I had a terrible childhood, my mum was in and out of mental hospital and my dad was a bully who liked to use his size and threats to control his children. My parents were pretty wealthy having inherited and my father had a very good job. They had 4 kids and we were pretty much on our own regarding education,(My parents NEVER attended a single school event, evening etc). I got 6 O'levels but my father stopped me going onto further education because he said he wanted me earning. What you said about self drive is definitely true, I was driven by a desire to prove my father wrong as he constantly told his children they were a waste of space. Anyway that's my childhood. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 10:06:20 GMT
I was the last of the grammar schoolboys in my town. The next year it turned comprehensive . Even I saw the negative effect of mixing the bright with the dull . Yes - I remember when the selective schools turned into Comps - the quality of the State education system draining away before our very eyes. The advantage that the grammars had was that they didn’t have the worst pupils in the first place. Everyone there had abilities over the 11 plus baseline . We were streamed after the first year into As and Bs. The As were essentially hot housed. The rest if us were put into B classes and for some reason moved around into after the 3 year. The whole tone seemed to fall after the school became , essentially, a secondary modern with knobs on . The teachers who told us that we were the elite suddenly had to deal with the unteachables and the mediocre. As an aside ,I wasn’t really interested by the 3rd year but that was my problem . |
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Post by see2 on Mar 2, 2023 10:11:49 GMT
That is about the progress to comprehensive schools. My post was about the damage she did to state schools. Not particularly interested in your opinions.Then you should be, what he said was true. Anyone who thinks switching to comprehensives was good, should look at the state of education since then, all it's bred is mainly shelf fillers and unemployed. And you should be interested in the damage Thatcher did to state schools. Shelf fillers and unemployed? You are lost in the ideal world Thatcher produced. Since the 1980s when so many small and not so small engineering firms went to the wall, shelf fillers and Mac Jobs have been the main areas of employment for millions of working people. Nothing to do with a lack of education, all to do with Thatcher's Corner Shop come right wing ideology. In 1990 I personally ditched 30 years in the diminishing areas of work in engineering and retrained into a professional position. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 2, 2023 10:21:29 GMT
That is about the progress to comprehensive schools. My post was about the damage she did to state schools.
Not particularly interested in your opinions. Indeed - her closing of the Grammar Schools did massive damage to state schooling. To different points. My point is on the actuality of the proven damage done by her Grant Maintained system, your point is about unproven opinion. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 10:27:24 GMT
When the grammars turned to Comps in my area l it was rare to know someone who had a degree.
It was more likely that an apprentice engineer , technician or otherwise skilled person would go to college for a HNC or city and guilds .
However some of my school friends in the B classes became lawyers and businessmen. One became an author, published a couple of books and ( the last time we communicated) was a teacher , another became a solicitor and yet another ( who contacted me out of the blue a few months ago) did” physics and business economics ” in uni , went into business for a few years, joined the navy , transferred the army , served in Germany and Hong Kong , retired early and moved to New Zealand .
Even I appreciated the quality of teaching in the grammar/ tech environment. I just didn’t choose to use it wisely .
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Post by see2 on Mar 2, 2023 10:28:28 GMT
Yep. I figured you'd have a very narrow minded view. So much easier than taking the time to find out. You remnants are all the same. Like I said we have heard your sad song so many times we all know it verse for verse. You Brexshiters are all the same, saddos still waiting for the sun to shine on Brexshit. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 2, 2023 10:36:02 GMT
When the grammars turned to Comps in my area l it was rare to know someone who had a degree. It was more likely that an apprentice engineer , technician or otherwise skilled person would go to college for a HNC or city and guilds . However some of my school friends in the B classes became lawyers and businessmen. One became an author, published a couple of books and ( the last time we communicated) was a teacher , another became a solicitor and yet another ( who contacted me out of the blue a few months ago) did” physics and business economics ” in uni , went into business for a few years, joined the navy , transferred the army , served in Germany and Hong Kong , retired early and moved to New Zealand . Even I appreciated the quality of teaching in the grammar/ tech environment. I just didn’t choose to use it wisely . No one doubts that many capable people ended up in grammar schools after all that was the hoped for idea of that system. WE don't hear about those who failed at grammar schools which I have no doubt there were many. We don't hear about the millions that were denied the opportunity to further their education under the grammar school system, an opportunity that was made available to them under the comprehensive system. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 10:41:38 GMT
When the grammars turned to Comps in my area l it was rare to know someone who had a degree. It was more likely that an apprentice engineer , technician or otherwise skilled person would go to college for a HNC or city and guilds . However some of my school friends in the B classes became lawyers and businessmen. One became an author, published a couple of books and ( the last time we communicated) was a teacher , another became a solicitor and yet another ( who contacted me out of the blue a few months ago) did” physics and business economics ” in uni , went into business for a few years, joined the navy , transferred the army , served in Germany and Hong Kong , retired early and moved to New Zealand . Even I appreciated the quality of teaching in the grammar/ tech environment. I just didn’t choose to use it wisely . No one doubts that many capable people ended up in grammar schools after all that was the hoped for idea of that system. WE don't hear about those who failed at grammar schools which I have no doubt there were many. We don't hear about the millions that were denied the opportunity to further their education under the grammar school system, an opportunity that was made available to them under the comprehensive system. That was the idea. Capable people were given access to a more technical and academic education. You heard from me . I pretty much failed but the education didn’t fail me . If your criteria is that every single person who could of benefited from Grammar school must have had access to it for it to be considered a success then it was a failure. It isn’t mine . |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 11:11:25 GMT
Then you should be, what he said was true. Anyone who thinks switching to comprehensives was good, should look at the state of education since then, all it's bred is mainly shelf fillers and unemployed. And you should be interested in the damage Thatcher did to state schools. Shelf fillers and unemployed? You are lost in the ideal world Thatcher produced. Since the 1980s when so many small and not so small engineering firms went to the wall, shelf fillers and Mac Jobs have been the main areas of employment for millions of working people. Nothing to do with a lack of education, all to do with Thatcher's Corner Shop come right wing ideology. In 1990 I personally ditched 30 years in the diminishing areas of work in engineering and retrained into a professional position. You still haven't realised that I detested Thatcher despite my telling you on more than one occasion. As to the remaindser of your post, too many who go to uni are not clever enough for it, they're duffers. |
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 11:13:37 GMT
When the grammars turned to Comps in my area l it was rare to know someone who had a degree. It was more likely that an apprentice engineer , technician or otherwise skilled person would go to college for a HNC or city and guilds . However some of my school friends in the B classes became lawyers and businessmen. One became an author, published a couple of books and ( the last time we communicated) was a teacher , another became a solicitor and yet another ( who contacted me out of the blue a few months ago) did” physics and business economics ” in uni , went into business for a few years, joined the navy , transferred the army , served in Germany and Hong Kong , retired early and moved to New Zealand . Even I appreciated the quality of teaching in the grammar/ tech environment. I just didn’t choose to use it wisely . No one doubts that many capable people ended up in grammar schools after all that was the hoped for idea of that system. WE don't hear about those who failed at grammar schools which I have no doubt there were many. We don't hear about the millions that were denied the opportunity to further their education under the grammar school system, an opportunity that was made available to them under the comprehensive system. Those who failed at grammar school were still better educated than those at comprehensive. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 11:27:48 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 11:32:33 GMT
Indeed - her closing of the Grammar Schools did massive damage to state schooling. To different points. My point is on the actuality of the proven damage done by her Grant Maintained system, your point is about unproven opinion. Grant maintained was a trivial sector of the education system - her demolishing of Grammar schools deprived hundreds of thousands of working class kids of a decent education.. |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 2, 2023 11:34:00 GMT
Christ. We went comprehensive in 1967.
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Post by Toreador on Mar 2, 2023 11:47:24 GMT
All could have been avoided had the EU and UK sorted it out before we left but the EU were intransigent and Boris wanted to "get things done" regardless of the consequences; let's hope he never comes back. |
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Post by Steve on Mar 2, 2023 12:52:42 GMT
All could have been avoided had the EU and UK sorted it out before we left but the EU were intransigent and Boris wanted to "get things done" regardless of the consequences; let's hope he never comes back. No. I say again: if you divorce a wife saying she is fat, a bad cook and no good in bed then you are a complete loonie if you expect her to keep doing your ironing. |
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