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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 26, 2023 0:27:22 GMT
He is attempting to rush through an agreement on NI so he can say, he did it. He is reportedly trashing Boris's agreement in favour of an agreement that pleases the EU in order to get it done. The NI Protocol is one way the EU can continue to twist the knife because they know we have weak politicians, and they're right. It seems that Sunak is attempting to steam roller his deal through parliament while ignoring the DUP and ERG, and according to what I'm listening to, the DUP and ERG and many back benchers, are less than impressed.
It makes me wonder whether Sunak remembers how easily leaders of the Conservative party are replaced.
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Post by Steve on Feb 26, 2023 0:50:15 GMT
He's trying to do the near impossible: solve the actual issues of NI+Brexit in a way the EU and the DUP/UVF and their tame ERG Tory MPs will accept
If he fails we could be looking at the abyss of the UK-EU trade deal being torn up which could lead the Tory party to oblivion.
So yes he is taking a risk with his career but IMHO he's doing it for the right reasons. I hope he succeeds, I rather suspect he won't.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 26, 2023 1:39:52 GMT
He's trying to do the near impossible: solve the actual issues of NI+Brexit in a way the EU and the DUP/UVF and their tame ERG Tory MPs will accept If he fails we could be looking at the abyss of the UK-EU trade deal being torn up which could lead the Tory party to oblivion. So yes he is taking a risk with his career but IMHO he's doing it for the right reasons. I hope he succeeds, I rather suspect he won't. Bollox, what a croc of shite. He is attempting to do what May did, appease the EU and push it through against the wishes of the DUP, the ERG, the majority of the electorate and a significant minority of Tory back benchers, which is why Sunak is relying on Labour support to get it through the House. Sunak is treading on very thin ice. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 26, 2023 3:54:17 GMT
He's trying to do the near impossible: solve the actual issues of NI+Brexit in a way the EU and the DUP/UVF and their tame ERG Tory MPs will accept If he fails we could be looking at the abyss of the UK-EU trade deal being torn up which could lead the Tory party to oblivion. So yes he is taking a risk with his career but IMHO he's doing it for the right reasons. I hope he succeeds, I rather suspect he won't. Bollox, what a croc of shite. He is attempting to do what May did, appease the EU and push it through against the wishes of the DUP, the ERG, the majority of the electorate and a significant minority of Tory back benchers, which is why Sunak is relying on Labour support to get it through the House. Sunak is treading on very thin ice. The EU wont renegotiate the deal. The deal must be abided by, and if that means pissing off the Irish, who are always pissed off anyway, then so be it. The EU is our biggest trading partner. Ireland is our biggest local problem. Damn pikies! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 26, 2023 4:07:17 GMT
Bollox, what a croc of shite. He is attempting to do what May did, appease the EU and push it through against the wishes of the DUP, the ERG, the majority of the electorate and a significant minority of Tory back benchers, which is why Sunak is relying on Labour support to get it through the House. Sunak is treading on very thin ice. The EU wont renegotiate the deal. The deal must be abided by, and if that means pissing off the Irish, who are always pissed off anyway, then so be it. The EU is our biggest trading partner. Ireland is our biggest local problem. Damn pikies! Sitting here, looking at framed photographs, thinking about things. I agree, Northern Ireland was always and will always be a problem. But, and this is why I had one or two heated exchanges with yanks who thought they knew what they were talking about, there are a lot of people in Ulster who are 100% British and if anyone dares to say otherwise prepare for a fight because they are more loyal than anyone in mainland GB.  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 26, 2023 13:26:23 GMT
The EU wont renegotiate the deal. The deal must be abided by, and if that means pissing off the Irish, who are always pissed off anyway, then so be it. The EU is our biggest trading partner. Ireland is our biggest local problem. Damn pikies! Sitting here, looking at framed photographs, thinking about things. I agree, Northern Ireland was always and will always be a problem. But, and this is why I had one or two heated exchanges with yanks who thought they knew what they were talking about, there are a lot of people in Ulster who are 100% British and if anyone dares to say otherwise prepare for a fight because they are more loyal than anyone in mainland GB. There should be free trade between NI and the UK. There does need to be a border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland due to each being in a different jurisdiction. Irish wankers though say their peace agreement is paramount in importance and overrides everyone, and I say you can fuck off to anyone there who claims that. The bottom line is the EU is more important. Trade is what keeps us Brits fed. Also if any of them threaten violence we should deal with them in the most severe of ways. I refuse to be blackmailed. I've had enough of their violence. I've seen it all my life. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 15:45:15 GMT
What I feel is this is a re-run of Cameron touting round the EU looking for concessions he could put to the electorate just before the referendum. We saw through his lies that the EU had offered concessions and the majority voted to leave.
Now we have a lot of talking up of another deal made after EU concessions. I suspect that the EU have not made any concessions whatsoever and the Downing Street spin machine is working in overdrive to try to present this as a win.
Rishi will soon be going the same way as Cameron, May, Johnson, and Truss.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 26, 2023 17:09:10 GMT
Imo the stakes are high enough for compromise from both sides.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 26, 2023 18:13:18 GMT
Prepare yourselves for the first surrender to the Germans since Tobruk..
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 26, 2023 21:39:27 GMT
Prepare yourselves for the first surrender to the Germans since Tobruk.. At least the Germans no longer blow up our gas supply, unlike some bastards we know. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 28, 2023 10:04:21 GMT
There should be free trade between NI and the UK. There does need to be a border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland due to each being in a different jurisdiction. Irish wankers though say their peace agreement is paramount in importance and overrides everyone, and I say you can fuck off to anyone there who claims that. The bottom line is the EU is more important. Trade is what keeps us Brits fed. Also if any of them threaten violence we should deal with them in the most severe of ways. I refuse to be blackmailed. I've had enough of their violence. I've seen it all my life. Of course there should be free trade between NI and GB, NI is a part of the UK ffs. For the life of me I have never understood why spineless British politicians have allowed themselves to be dictated to and pushed around by unelected EU bureaucrats who have gone out of their way to make the NI issue as difficult as possible. The government should have told the EU to get stuffed, NI is a part of the UK not the EU. If the EU decide to erect a hard border in Ireland then so be it, it would be entirely a decision for Irelands masters in Belgium to make, but they never would have put up a hard border. Such a move would have been an absolute PR disaster for the Brussels dictatorship and they know damned well that Biden would have been less than impressed, not that it's got anything to do with him. Yet our weak politicians never seem to use their trump cards or stick up for the UK, they always seem to kowtow to the EU. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Feb 28, 2023 11:52:34 GMT
There should be free trade between NI and the UK. There does need to be a border between Southern Ireland and Northern Ireland due to each being in a different jurisdiction. Irish wankers though say their peace agreement is paramount in importance and overrides everyone, and I say you can fuck off to anyone there who claims that. The bottom line is the EU is more important. Trade is what keeps us Brits fed. Also if any of them threaten violence we should deal with them in the most severe of ways. I refuse to be blackmailed. I've had enough of their violence. I've seen it all my life. Of course there should be free trade between NI and GB, NI is a part of the UK ffs. For the life of me I have never understood why spineless British politicians have allowed themselves to be dictated to and pushed around by unelected EU bureaucrats who have gone out of their way to make the NI issue as difficult as possible. The government should have told the EU to get stuffed, NI is a part of the UK not the EU. If the EU decide to erect a hard border in Ireland then so be it, it would be entirely a decision for Irelands masters in Belgium to make, but they never would have put up a hard border. Such a move would have been an absolute PR disaster for the Brussels dictatorship and they know damned well that Biden would have been less than impressed, not that it's got anything to do with him. Yet our weak politicians never seem to use their trump cards or stick up for the UK, they always seem to kowtow to the EU. The GFA is flawed, not our leaving of the EU. They should have worked out what to do in the event of the UK leaving the EU when the GFA was decided and because they did not then it is their problem, not ours. We want to trade with the EU to keep us alive. If all trade were screwed up we would be fucked and I don't want to be fucked because of the selfish bastards in Ireland threatening violence every time they don't get their way. The EU has been more than reasonable on us leaving, so it is blatently unfair to blame them. On the contrary they have extended themselves as far as they can go, and I for one am grateful for their patience. If the DUP don't shut up and put up with this then they can go to hell. Look I'm a businessman and know when someone is taking the piss and this is how you deal with pisstakers. Let them stew. We want to proceed with this and get our economy back together. Once this is decided we will rejoin the Horizon Project which is very good for us. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 1, 2023 1:40:50 GMT
Of course there should be free trade between NI and GB, NI is a part of the UK ffs. For the life of me I have never understood why spineless British politicians have allowed themselves to be dictated to and pushed around by unelected EU bureaucrats who have gone out of their way to make the NI issue as difficult as possible. The government should have told the EU to get stuffed, NI is a part of the UK not the EU. If the EU decide to erect a hard border in Ireland then so be it, it would be entirely a decision for Irelands masters in Belgium to make, but they never would have put up a hard border. Such a move would have been an absolute PR disaster for the Brussels dictatorship and they know damned well that Biden would have been less than impressed, not that it's got anything to do with him. Yet our weak politicians never seem to use their trump cards or stick up for the UK, they always seem to kowtow to the EU. The GFA is flawed, not our leaving of the EU. They should have worked out what to do in the event of the UK leaving the EU when the GFA was decided and because they did not then it is their problem, not ours. We want to trade with the EU to keep us alive. If all trade were screwed up we would be fucked and I don't want to be fucked because of the selfish bastards in Ireland threatening violence every time they don't get their way. The EU has been more than reasonable on us leaving, so it is blatently unfair to blame them. On the contrary they have extended themselves as far as they can go, and I for one am grateful for their patience. If the DUP don't shut up and put up with this then they can go to hell. Look I'm a businessman and know when someone is taking the piss and this is how you deal with pisstakers. Let them stew. We want to proceed with this and get our economy back together. Once this is decided we will rejoin the Horizon Project which is very good for us. This thread seems to have been overtaken elswhere. However, you're wrong. The EU is never 'reasonable'. The EU is not a country or a nation state which is why bureaucrats usually failed politicians who represent the EU are aggressive and protectionist. They know they represent a project that is not a sovereign nation state, and could fail. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 1, 2023 13:01:41 GMT
The GFA is flawed, not our leaving of the EU. They should have worked out what to do in the event of the UK leaving the EU when the GFA was decided and because they did not then it is their problem, not ours. We want to trade with the EU to keep us alive. If all trade were screwed up we would be fucked and I don't want to be fucked because of the selfish bastards in Ireland threatening violence every time they don't get their way. The EU has been more than reasonable on us leaving, so it is blatently unfair to blame them. On the contrary they have extended themselves as far as they can go, and I for one am grateful for their patience. If the DUP don't shut up and put up with this then they can go to hell. Look I'm a businessman and know when someone is taking the piss and this is how you deal with pisstakers. Let them stew. We want to proceed with this and get our economy back together. Once this is decided we will rejoin the Horizon Project which is very good for us. This thread seems to have been overtaken elswhere. However, you're wrong. The EU is never 'reasonable'. The EU is not a country or a nation state which is why bureaucrats usually failed politicians who represent the EU are aggressive and protectionist. They know they represent a project that is not a sovereign nation state, and could fail. Well that's the problem of southern Ireland then. We just want to trade with it and I believe we can do so without too much trouble. My advice is don't elect a criminal like Johnson again. That was our problem. Lets have some peace for a change. I'm sick of the petty squabbling. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 2, 2023 8:53:38 GMT
Of course there should be free trade between NI and GB, NI is a part of the UK ffs. For the life of me I have never understood why spineless British politicians have allowed themselves to be dictated to and pushed around by unelected EU bureaucrats who have gone out of their way to make the NI issue as difficult as possible. The government should have told the EU to get stuffed, NI is a part of the UK not the EU. If the EU decide to erect a hard border in Ireland then so be it, it would be entirely a decision for Irelands masters in Belgium to make, but they never would have put up a hard border. Such a move would have been an absolute PR disaster for the Brussels dictatorship and they know damned well that Biden would have been less than impressed, not that it's got anything to do with him. Yet our weak politicians never seem to use their trump cards or stick up for the UK, they always seem to kowtow to the EU. The GFA is flawed, not our leaving of the EU. They should have worked out what to do in the event of the UK leaving the EU when the GFA was decided and because they did not then it is their problem, not ours. We want to trade with the EU to keep us alive. If all trade were screwed up we would be fucked and I don't want to be fucked because of the selfish bastards in Ireland threatening violence every time they don't get their way. The EU has been more than reasonable on us leaving, so it is blatently unfair to blame them. On the contrary they have extended themselves as far as they can go, and I for one am grateful for their patience. If the DUP don't shut up and put up with this then they can go to hell. Look I'm a businessman and know when someone is taking the piss and this is how you deal with pisstakers. Let them stew. We want to proceed with this and get our economy back together. Once this is decided we will rejoin the Horizon Project which is very good for us. This is the kind of ignorant attitude that the EU relies on. We do NOT need a "deal" in order to trade with the EU. We can trade with them perfectly well via WTO rules - in fact it would be preferable to what we've got. ANY deal made with the EU causes problems, as we should have realised by now. Haven't you noticed that world-wide tariffs have dropped over the years - average WTO tariffs are below 3% now. It's a different world now from when we first joined the Common Market because tariffs were very much higher then and the costs of joining the market were very much lower. We also did a lot more trade with the EU back then. Unfortunately your ignorance is typical of a large proportion of the people in this country and almost all of our politicians. |
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