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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2023 12:05:34 GMT
The GFA is flawed, not our leaving of the EU. They should have worked out what to do in the event of the UK leaving the EU when the GFA was decided and because they did not then it is their problem, not ours. We want to trade with the EU to keep us alive. If all trade were screwed up we would be fucked and I don't want to be fucked because of the selfish bastards in Ireland threatening violence every time they don't get their way. The EU has been more than reasonable on us leaving, so it is blatently unfair to blame them. On the contrary they have extended themselves as far as they can go, and I for one am grateful for their patience. If the DUP don't shut up and put up with this then they can go to hell. Look I'm a businessman and know when someone is taking the piss and this is how you deal with pisstakers. Let them stew. We want to proceed with this and get our economy back together. Once this is decided we will rejoin the Horizon Project which is very good for us. This is the kind of ignorant attitude that the EU relies on. We do NOT need a "deal" in order to trade with the EU. We can trade with them perfectly well via WTO rules - in fact it would be preferable to what we've got. ANY deal made with the EU causes problems, as we should have realised by now. Haven't you noticed that world-wide tariffs have dropped over the years - average WTO tariffs are below 3% now. It's a different world now from when we first joined the Common Market because tariffs were very much higher then and the costs of joining the market were very much lower. We also did a lot more trade with the EU back then. Unfortunately your ignorance is typical of a large proportion of the people in this country and almost all of our politicians. You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 2, 2023 18:06:13 GMT
This is the kind of ignorant attitude that the EU relies on. We do NOT need a "deal" in order to trade with the EU. We can trade with them perfectly well via WTO rules - in fact it would be preferable to what we've got. ANY deal made with the EU causes problems, as we should have realised by now. Haven't you noticed that world-wide tariffs have dropped over the years - average WTO tariffs are below 3% now. It's a different world now from when we first joined the Common Market because tariffs were very much higher then and the costs of joining the market were very much lower. We also did a lot more trade with the EU back then. Unfortunately your ignorance is typical of a large proportion of the people in this country and almost all of our politicians. You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. You cannot force anyone to trade with you irrespective of what trade agreements you have. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 2, 2023 21:59:51 GMT
Anyway, I think we can reverse a lot of this lost EU trade now. I mean easy trade between the UK and EU is a win-win scenario. The general view I'm hearing from various people in government was Johnson really fucked things up and caused a lot of friction with the EU through his ignorance. Also Horizon looks like it will be back on track. The EU promise they will get that going as a priority.
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 3, 2023 7:48:08 GMT
This is the kind of ignorant attitude that the EU relies on. We do NOT need a "deal" in order to trade with the EU. We can trade with them perfectly well via WTO rules - in fact it would be preferable to what we've got. ANY deal made with the EU causes problems, as we should have realised by now. Haven't you noticed that world-wide tariffs have dropped over the years - average WTO tariffs are below 3% now. It's a different world now from when we first joined the Common Market because tariffs were very much higher then and the costs of joining the market were very much lower. We also did a lot more trade with the EU back then. Unfortunately your ignorance is typical of a large proportion of the people in this country and almost all of our politicians. You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. The EU and the UK are members of the WTO so the EU must trade with the UK under the same terms as it trades with other countries that are members of the WTO. The WTO prevents its members from offering different terms to different WTO members. Of course the EU could deliberately cause friction by ramping up checks on trade with the EU - but they're doing that anyway. But you seem to have the same stupid attitude to trade as most of our MPs. You think that the EU is doing us a fucking favour by trading with us -which is both stupid and ignorant. We have a big trade deficit with the EU and we're a rich country that buys a lot of high profit goods from EU countries. That's why the EU is so pissed off at us leaving. The EU countries NEED our trade. The UK was always in a strong position to make a good deal with the EU - or go it alone via the WTO. Yet Mrs May went into the negotiations waving the white flag. Useless. And remainers like you strengthened the EU's hand. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 3, 2023 11:04:46 GMT
You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. But you seem to have the same stupid attitude to trade as most of our MPs. You think that the EU is doing us a fucking favour by trading with us -which is both stupid and ignorant. This is the most fundamental misunderstanding. We are not negotiating to convince people to trade with us, we are negotiating with an extortion gang who might prevent those people trading with us. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 3, 2023 12:03:44 GMT
You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. The EU and the UK are members of the WTO so the EU must trade with the UK under the same terms as it trades with other countries that are members of the WTO. The WTO prevents its members from offering different terms to different WTO members. Of course the EU could deliberately cause friction by ramping up checks on trade with the EU - but they're doing that anyway. But you seem to have the same stupid attitude to trade as most of our MPs. You think that the EU is doing us a fucking favour by trading with us -which is both stupid and ignorant. We have a big trade deficit with the EU and we're a rich country that buys a lot of high profit goods from EU countries. That's why the EU is so pissed off at us leaving. The EU countries NEED our trade. The UK was always in a strong position to make a good deal with the EU - or go it alone via the WTO. Yet Mrs May went into the negotiations waving the white flag. Useless. And remainers like you strengthened the EU's hand. China and the US are part of the WTO, and what the US does is illegal under WTO rules. The bastards still do it though. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 3, 2023 14:04:52 GMT
The WTO are not like the EU. They're an organisation that facilitates trade - they don't have buildings full of lawyers and special courts to punish people who break their laws. But which laws are USA breaking?
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 3, 2023 17:10:44 GMT
You think the WTO will force them to trade with us. Don't call me ignorent when you have not considered it yourself. what I say is true. It's their land, their rules. The EU and the UK are members of the WTO so the EU must trade with the UK under the same terms as it trades with other countries that are members of the WTO. The WTO prevents its members from offering different terms to different WTO members. Of course the EU could deliberately cause friction by ramping up checks on trade with the EU - but they're doing that anyway. But you seem to have the same stupid attitude to trade as most of our MPs. You think that the EU is doing us a fucking favour by trading with us -which is both stupid and ignorant. We have a big trade deficit with the EU and we're a rich country that buys a lot of high profit goods from EU countries. That's why the EU is so pissed off at us leaving. The EU countries NEED our trade. The UK was always in a strong position to make a good deal with the EU - or go it alone via the WTO. Yet Mrs May went into the negotiations waving the white flag. Useless. And remainers like you strengthened the EU's hand. I may see a flaw in your argument You are correct in your assertion that the WTO requires a country to trade with another on the same terms as it trades with a third (actually it’s not that simple but can we agree to leave that aside and pretend this is a simple, straight, fact) But you overlook something utterly critical No legal power on earth can make a fucker that hates your guts and wants to see your people dead of starvation so they can say ‘i fucking told you we’d do it to you’ buy things from you And that sums up the French attitude to us to start with |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 4, 2023 7:42:46 GMT
And I see a flaw in your argument. The hatred of the UK (and England in particular) comes mainly from the EU Commission and French politicians. The people (and companies) who are tradng goods don't give a monkey's who they buy from or sell to. It's just a financial transaction to them.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 4, 2023 8:00:50 GMT
And I see a flaw in your argument. The hatred of the UK (and England in particular) comes mainly from the EU Commission and French politicians. The people (and companies) who are tradng goods don't give a monkey's who they buy from or sell to. It's just a financial transaction to them. You don’t think the people follow the lead given by their politicians ? Have you worked there ? I did, albeit for just a few contracts. I went there already able to speak French and looking to improve that in an industry where English is mandated on safety grounds at all levels thanks to fatalities caused directly by errors in translation (a fact they fucking HATE) and time is mandated by the Greenwich Meridian not the Paris one (which they hate even more) I was considered very much an exception but then i have my school French Master Monsieur Martin to thank for that because it was from him i collected not only my rudimentary initial grasp of the language which i built on thanks to fellow science undergrads and postgrads during my time in academia, but also his accent which is about as typical of a Picardy French Peasant at the time of the Revolution as you can get. I suppose i went to dig France Telecom out of the shitty hole they fell in with an attitude towards the country that was partly mistaken for, and partly genuinely was, an interest in becoming integrated into the place from which my ancestors came about a thousand years ago. I think that does help … |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 4, 2023 12:50:17 GMT
The WTO are not like the EU. They're an organisation that facilitates trade - they don't have buildings full of lawyers and special courts to punish people who break their laws. But which laws are USA breaking? Don't you know? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Mar 4, 2023 13:03:29 GMT
And I see a flaw in your argument. The hatred of the UK (and England in particular) comes mainly from the EU Commission and French politicians. The people (and companies) who are tradng goods don't give a monkey's who they buy from or sell to. It's just a financial transaction to them. You don’t think the people follow the lead given by their politicians No. |
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