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Post by Bentley on Feb 25, 2023 10:29:55 GMT
The Labour Party can do without the far Left ... and indeed the party is doing extremely well without them, so stay away, go and join Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party or the Socialist Workers Party, and leave mainstream political parties to get on with seriuous business. The majority of the so called "working class" are not interested in Stop The War, CND, Palestine, Bring Down The Monarchy or negotiating with terrorists. Most of the far Left have now gone from the Labour Party, some still remain, but their voice is now small, their parasitic group "Momentum" is almost bankrupt, and the party is now what it should be ... A progressive, Left of centre political party which champions Moral Capitalism and Social Justice. The Tory party would claim that they champion Moral Capitalism and Social justice . I don’t believe for a minute that the Labour party has been purged of extreme left wing thinkers any more than you might believe that the Tories have been purged of extreme right wing thinkers . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 11:41:03 GMT
The problem with the Labour Party Bentley, is that it has in the past been too tolerant and forgiving
In the 1970s and 1980s it was "Militant" who ruined Labours chances, but people like John Smith, Neil Kinnock and Tony Blair dealt with them, and then Labour had its huge victory in 1997.
But, they came back again, this time in large numbers, entering the party in 2015 to ensure Corbyn was elected as leader, and as they say ... the rest is history, a colossal defeat in 2019.
Its my view that this time the party has to cease been tolerant ... there is no place for such people in a modern progressive, moderate political party with aspirations of becoming the governing party.
The priorities for ordinary people are the cost of living, jobs, public services, the NHS and crime ... NOT "Stop The War" or Palestine or politics of envy or politics driven by dogma instead of common sense.
Let the old fashioned and outdated orthodox Socialists join forces with the SWP or Arthur Scargills SLP and form a Left Wing alternative to Labour.
But I can assure you that the far left have lost control of every area of the party now, many have left the party and their pressure group "Momentum" barely exists now.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 25, 2023 11:55:24 GMT
The Labour Party can do without the far Left ... and indeed the party is doing extremely well without them, so stay away, go and join Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party or the Socialist Workers Party, and leave mainstream political parties to get on with seriuous business. The majority of the so called "working class" are not interested in Stop The War, CND, Palestine, Bring Down The Monarchy or negotiating with terrorists. Most of the far Left have now gone from the Labour Party, some still remain, but their voice is now small, their parasitic group "Momentum" is almost bankrupt, and the party is now what it should be ... A progressive, Left of centre political party which champions Moral Capitalism and Social Justice. The Tory party would claim that they champion Moral Capitalism and Social justice . I don’t believe for a minute that the Labour party has been purged of extreme left wing thinkers any more than you might believe that the Tories have been purged of extreme right wing thinkers . And neither does anyone else with a bit of common sense mate. Starmer is just a place holder for all the closet corbynites. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 25, 2023 12:24:36 GMT
The problem with the Labour Party Bentley, is that it has in the past been too tolerant and forgiving In the 1970s and 1980s it was "Militant" who ruined Labours chances, but people like John Smith, Neil Kinnock and Tony Blair dealt with them, and then Labour had its huge victory in 1997. But, they came back again, this time in large numbers, entering the party in 2015 to ensure Corbyn was elected as leader, and as they say ... the rest is history, a colossal defeat in 2019. Its my view that this time the party has to cease been tolerant ... there is no place for such people in a modern progressive, moderate political party with aspirations of becoming the governing party. The priorities for ordinary people are the cost of living, jobs, public services, the NHS and crime ... NOT "Stop The War" or Palestine or politics of envy or politics driven by dogma instead of common sense. Let the old fashioned and outdated orthodox Socialists join forces with the SWP or Arthur Scargills SLP and form a Left Wing alternative to Labour. But I can assure you that the far left have lost control of every area of the party now, many have left the party and their pressure group "Momentum" barely exists now. Nope. The problem is ( if there is only one problem) that Labour has always depended on union support . Another problem imo is that Labour ditched the white working class and is obsessed by identity politics . |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 25, 2023 12:28:56 GMT
The Labour Party can do without the far Left ... and indeed the party is doing extremely well without them, so stay away, go and join Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party or the Socialist Workers Party, and leave mainstream political parties to get on with seriuous business. The majority of the so called "working class" are not interested in Stop The War, CND, Palestine, Bring Down The Monarchy or negotiating with terrorists. Most of the far Left have now gone from the Labour Party, some still remain, but their voice is now small, their parasitic group "Momentum" is almost bankrupt, and the party is now what it should be ... A progressive, Left of centre political party which champions Moral Capitalism and Social Justice. .....and with a bunch of useless politicians led by an idiot. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 15:28:41 GMT
Starmer's ability to flipflop seems unprecedented in politics. When Labour eventually come up with an election manifesto, we can bear that in mind.
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Post by see2 on Feb 25, 2023 15:54:27 GMT
Starmer's ability to flipflop seems unprecedented in politics. When Labour eventually come up with an election manifesto, we can bear that in mind. When Labour produce their election manifesto it will be like all manifestos, i.e. an indication of the direction Labour want to take the country in. Which in turn, like every other government will be influenced by what they find out about the state of the country once they are fully informed. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 25, 2023 15:56:30 GMT
The Labour Party can do without the far Left ... and indeed the party is doing extremely well without them, so stay away, go and join Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party or the Socialist Workers Party, and leave mainstream political parties to get on with seriuous business. The majority of the so called "working class" are not interested in Stop The War, CND, Palestine, Bring Down The Monarchy or negotiating with terrorists. Most of the far Left have now gone from the Labour Party, some still remain, but their voice is now small, their parasitic group "Momentum" is almost bankrupt, and the party is now what it should be ... A progressive, Left of centre political party which champions Moral Capitalism and Social Justice. .....and with a bunch of useless politicians led by an idiot. I don't think Boris and Co. will be standing in the next election. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 20:49:42 GMT
The Labour Party can do without the far Left ... and indeed the party is doing extremely well without them, so stay away, go and join Arthur Scargills Socialist Labour Party or the Socialist Workers Party, and leave mainstream political parties to get on with seriuous business. The majority of the so called "working class" are not interested in Stop The War, CND, Palestine, Bring Down The Monarchy or negotiating with terrorists. Most of the far Left have now gone from the Labour Party, some still remain, but their voice is now small, their parasitic group "Momentum" is almost bankrupt, and the party is now what it should be ... A progressive, Left of centre political party which champions Moral Capitalism and Social Justice. It is a party led by a proven liar with no principles they will not sell in pursuit of power. They offer nothing but a slightly nicer version of the same old bullshit. If they do well it is only because of FPTP and the fact that the Tories are being so crap. Be careful what you wish for. If you expect meaningful change you might as well rather bark at the moon than vote Labour for all the good it will do. Mark my words. Labour is not going to be all that better and will provide it's own governmental disasters. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2023 20:53:38 GMT
Starmer's ability to flipflop seems unprecedented in politics. When Labour eventually come up with an election manifesto, we can bear that in mind. Their eventual manifesto will be a risible document entirely built around the opinions of a handful of people in focus groups. And there will be no promises in it that they won't be prepared to break to avoid displeasing whichever wealthy donors they can persuade to pay them for influence. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 25, 2023 22:32:59 GMT
Starmer's ability to flipflop seems unprecedented in politics. When Labour eventually come up with an election manifesto, we can bear that in mind. Their eventual manifesto will be a risible document entirely built around the opinions of a handful of people in focus groups. And there will be no promises in it that they won't be prepared to break to avoid displeasing whichever wealthy donors they can persuade to pay them for influence. Your critical summary is probably an accurate forcast. How many times will he change his mind before the next election. Starmer isn't principled, he is desperate not to be the leader who squandered a huge lead in the polls. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 25, 2023 22:49:50 GMT
As Keir Starmer quite rightly stated .... better to have goals to aim for, than no aspirations at all, and they are noble aspirations based partly upon 13 years of TORY FAILURE. To achieve high sustained growth ... NOT achieved ever in 13 years of Tory failure Building an NHS fit for the future ... after 13 disasterous and destructive years under the Tories Break down barriers to opportunity ... As against living standards falling for the first time in modern history Make Britains streets safe ... ( Tories record in one sentence ) Firstly, get rid of 20,000 police officers, secondly, hire 20,000 police officers ... WTF is that all about. Make Britain a clean energy superpower ... As aginst more Tory failure, less money to public transport, less buses, record profits for water companies who continue to pour raw sewage into our rivers. For the first time in modern history, the people of Britain will be worse off when this government is booted, than what they were when they came to office in 2010. Time for change - time to let someone else have a go Five minutes looking at Wales where Labour have the show unfettered since 1997 shows the stupidity of that approach |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 25, 2023 22:55:04 GMT
So Starmer's big idea is to turn the UK into Wales - yep that will work..
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 25, 2023 23:53:06 GMT
Starmer is going to win by default, he doesn't have to do anything.
Then when he wins the reality will hit home that it isn't Tories killing public services, it is the fact that we have zero adults in the country, so we cannot have a sensible discussion about taxation.
The simple truth is... the UK public want Nordic levels of public service, on USA levels of taxation.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 26, 2023 7:39:13 GMT
Why we voted for Jeremy Corbyn – all 12 million of us Sonia Sodha presumes that Labour’s activists and members are two separate entities (“Starmer was right to exile Corbyn. Labour has a duty to voters, not rebellious members”, Comment). She ignores the fact that under Jeremy Corbyn thousands of previously non-active voters became both party members and activists, many, including myself, for the first time. Before Corbyn, I was neither a voter, nor a member, nor an activist.
Sodha writes about ejecting Corbyn as if it were a sign of democracy, yet what could be less democratic than denying the voters of Islington North their choice of Labour MP – the much respected and hard-working Corbyn, who has served that constituency very well for decades? Keir Starmer clearly feels threatened by the mere presence of Corbyn on the backbenches. Why? Corbyn is correct to point to the one thing that, according to Starmer, we aren’t supposed to talk about: Palestine. But it’s more than that. Starmer represents preservation of the status quo, whereas Corbyn represents change. Some of us are more than ready for change and Sodha cannot ignore the fact that 12 million of us voted for that.
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