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Post by Bentley on Feb 24, 2023 13:19:04 GMT
Sorry that the more sensible posters are not condemning on demand .
Personally I would like to know more about the source of the letters to know where I need to aim my condemnation.
So I agree with Magrathea.
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Post by Steve on Feb 24, 2023 13:20:51 GMT
I have suggested the Police should investigate. Isn't that an implicit condemnation of whoever wrote the letter? ahem |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 24, 2023 13:29:21 GMT
Don't know about outraged lefties but I certainly did and I cheered when those islamic extremists got jailed for those 'death' placard. Did you? And your woeful inability to condemn that appalling letter and your use of whataboutery to defend it is unsurprising but RATHER SUGGEST( sic) YOU WISHED YOU’D WRITTEN IT YOURSELF. DID YOU? Steves been taking psychology lessons from see2. 😆 LOL. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 13:29:47 GMT
Steve, I think you need a think a little more clearly here.
The letter should be investigated by police because imo it is possible it implies a reasonably serious crime has been committed.
How is that response not condemning the letter?
Btw i'm not being sly here - I don't disagree substantially with the law in these circumstances.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 24, 2023 13:57:30 GMT
I condemn whoever wrote the letter.
But let's keep a sense of proportion.
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Post by sword on Feb 24, 2023 14:06:21 GMT
Well we have already had one MP murdered by some far Right Nazi nutcase,what the hell why not waite for it to happen again,move on nothing to see here,there is no excuse for sending death threats.
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Post by walterpaisley on Feb 24, 2023 14:14:37 GMT
I condemn whoever wrote the letter. But let's keep a sense of proportion. I had a similar threat posted through the letterbox about ten years ago, in the aftermath of the BNP membership list leak and the small part I paid in its dissemination. It's a very nasty thing to have happen: The more so when it says the next thing I can look forward to is a firebomb, and there's still a child living at home. Luckily, in my case, the police took it seriously - partly because (as it turned out) the sender had form, and due to the fact that he's ex-forces (such people - because they presumably have the skill to make real on any threat - are taken more seriously than the usual spotty Herbert). (He was eventually found guilty on a number of charges of Sending a Malicious Communication.) Refreshingly - and unlike what we're seeing here from the expected quarters - there was no victim blaming or accusations of false flagging involved. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 24, 2023 14:19:03 GMT
I condemn whoever wrote the letter. But let's keep a sense of proportion. I had a similar threat posted through the letterbox about ten years ago, in the aftermath of the BNP membership list leak and the small part I paid in its dissemination. It's a very nasty thing to have happen: The more so when it says the next thing I can look forward to is a firebomb, and there's still a child living at home. Luckily, in my case, the police took it seriously - partly because (as it turned out) the sender had form, and due to the fact that he's ex-forces (such people - because they presumably have the skill to make real on any threat - are taken more seriously than the usual spotty Herbert). (He was eventually found guilty on a number of charges of Sending a Malicious Communication.) Refreshingly - and unlike what we're seeing here from the expected quarters - there was no victim blaming or accusations of false flagging involved. No one suggested false flagging or victim blaming . Only that some things should be ruled out before making judgment. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 14:23:10 GMT
I had a similar threat posted through the letterbox about ten years ago, in the aftermath of the BNP membership list leak and the small part I paid in its dissemination. I also think this sort of activity should comprise a crime if it involves physical address information. It really only has one likely motivation - ie to threaten people. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 24, 2023 14:42:04 GMT
Steve, I think you need a think a little more clearly here.The letter should be investigated by police because imo it is possible it implies a reasonably serious crime has been committed. How is that response not condemning the letter?Btw i'm not being sly here - I don't disagree substantially with the law in these circumstances. Au contraire you do You decided to in no way condemn the letter and then suggest it was a fake and then that the police should investigate. Victim blaming |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 14:57:12 GMT
Steve, I think you need a think a little more clearly here.The letter should be investigated by police because imo it is possible it implies a reasonably serious crime has been committed. How is that response not condemning the letter?Btw i'm not being sly here - I don't disagree substantially with the law in these circumstances. Au contraire you do You decided to in no way condemn the letter and then suggest it was a fake and then that the police should investigate. Victim blaming My question was simple. How is suggesting that something needs to be investigated by the police as a possible crime, not also condemning it? |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 24, 2023 15:04:08 GMT
Au contraire you do You decided to in no way condemn the letter and then suggest it was a fake and then that the police should investigate. Victim blaming My question was simple. How is suggesting that something needs to be investigated by the police as a possible crime, not also condemning it? Could he/she POSSIBLY be pulling a Smollett? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jussie_Smollett_hate_crime_hoax The police should INVESTIGATE This neither suggests that it WAS fake or is in any way victim blaming . You post has cynically been reframed to make it into something that it is not . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2023 16:08:44 GMT
So far 6 posters doing all they can to do anything but condemn the letter, some even victim attacking, one even inferring it's OK Says so much about some here ^^ And this is why I am suspicious about its origin. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 24, 2023 16:09:00 GMT
I had a similar threat posted through the letterbox about ten years ago, in the aftermath of the BNP membership list leak and the small part I paid in its dissemination. It's a very nasty thing to have happen: The more so when it says the next thing I can look forward to is a firebomb, and there's still a child living at home. Luckily, in my case, the police took it seriously - partly because (as it turned out) the sender had form, and due to the fact that he's ex-forces (such people - because they presumably have the skill to make real on any threat - are taken more seriously than the usual spotty Herbert). (He was eventually found guilty on a number of charges of Sending a Malicious Communication.) Refreshingly - and unlike what we're seeing here from the expected quarters - there was no victim blaming or accusations of false flagging involved. What we have so far is a left-wing activist who's attracted some hate mail. Unpleasant, I grant you but hardly evidence of “Far right bigoted terrorism in the UK”. It is far more likely evidence of a mentally disturbed loner writing BS. As it would appear to have been in your case. And, as an aside, there were some totally innocent people on that infamous list that you assisted to disseminate. Shame that you didn't spare the same sympathies for them. Hypocrisy writ large. |
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Post by Handyman on Feb 24, 2023 16:10:43 GMT
The Met Counterterrorism Unit is already investigating a similar letter sent to the Broadcaster India Willoughby and they have her letter in their possession, the reason they are involved is that Nation Action is a Proscribed Organisation.
If Dr Shola Mos-Shogbamimu has also contacted the Police I don't know, I hope she has and I hope neither of them handled the letters too much, there is a slim chance the Forensic Scientists maybe be able to find a fingerprint or DNA on them that may lead to whoever sent it.
Just because the letters appear to have been delivered by a person or person connected to or a member of National Action does not mean they did come from National Action which are based in the North of England , it may be a lone halfwit idiot, if I had received such a threat last thing I would do is make it publicly known or put on Social Media, let the Police do their job behind the scenes
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