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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 8:23:06 GMT
It takes a cold heart to lay off men who have worked with you for generations. Pre welfare state laying off a man meant real poverty for him and his family. It's thinking with your heart and not your head. Besides the Luddite argument that machines would replace your jobs was utterly bogus. It's the thinking of simpletons. We have many of them. Indeed I would say the biggest problem we have right now is exactly this. UK factories have workers, Chinese ones have machines. Our factories are going bust, so kiss goodbye anyway. I tell you, these morons will only be good for pouring the wine to rich foreigners who would think nothing of paying £500 for a bottle. (Remember tractors and their 40x productivity. That's mega ££££. ) What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 9:14:43 GMT
It's thinking with your heart and not your head. Besides the Luddite argument that machines would replace your jobs was utterly bogus. It's the thinking of simpletons. We have many of them. Indeed I would say the biggest problem we have right now is exactly this. UK factories have workers, Chinese ones have machines. Our factories are going bust, so kiss goodbye anyway. I tell you, these morons will only be good for pouring the wine to rich foreigners who would think nothing of paying £500 for a bottle. (Remember tractors and their 40x productivity. That's mega ££££. ) What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? Those who are unemployed take some free land and use it to feed themselves. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 9:16:38 GMT
What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? Those who are unemployed take some free land and use it to feed themselves. I'll take my free land now please, where is it? Rockefeller said. Buy land they're not making it anymore. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 9:26:55 GMT
Those who are unemployed take some free land and use it to feed themselves. I'll take my free land now please, where is it? Rockefeller said. Buy land they're not making it anymore. Perhaps, if they have enough in the bank, they could purchase a part of their right to exist back off its current owners? Or perhaps the unemployed should ask for their human rights back. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 9:47:47 GMT
I'll take my free land now please, where is it? Rockefeller said. Buy land they're not making it anymore. Perhaps, if they have enough in the bank, they could purchase a part of their right to exist back off its current owners? Or perhaps the unemployed should ask for their human rights back. The ones with the money in the bank might be lucky. Are you suggesting taking land back by force? A return to strip farming? I would hope we could do better than returning to those old times. How would these strip farmers pay for health care, Education, Travel Etc. Without these their future looks quite bleak. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 10:44:15 GMT
Perhaps, if they have enough in the bank, they could purchase a part of their right to exist back off its current owners? Or perhaps the unemployed should ask for their human rights back. The ones with the money in the bank might be lucky. Are you suggesting taking land back by force? A return to strip farming? I would hope we could do better than returning to those old times. How would these strip farmers pay for health care, Education, Travel Etc. Without these their future looks quite bleak. You are missing my point. There is a reason why we have the concept 'unemployed'. If we go back into our hunter gatherer past, it would be hard to imagine someone becoming 'unemployed' because their 'employment' stretches around them for thousands of miles in all directions |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 5, 2023 11:27:04 GMT
Well, they invented enclosures to create a pool of starving cheap labour for their satanic mills Terrible I know. I mean moving to automated machine production to vastly increase the standards of living was clearly the work of the devil. Much better to live like an aristocrat in pre-industrial idyllic times like Willian Morris and John Ruskin. You evade my point The 5% of the population that controlled the country chose to drive the other 95% out of their subsistence existence into abject poverty and starvation so they could be exploited by the industrial overlords. You could of course argue the aristocracy and feudal lords did that anyway but in Exeter for example, the lord of the manor merely offered the locals a choice between living in and around his castle and environs for a fee that went to feed clothe and train his army trained to fight and possibly die protecting you from the pirate raiders, OR you were perfectly free to live nearer the river, free of that tax, and when the raiders came you MIGHT fight them off, but if not, the screams of your women as you were slaughtered, and the smoke rising from your burning home, served to alert the castle that it was time to ride out and fight. Now it is true my view is a little biased, for in truth Bernard Knight researched the history of that area and found its Norman warlord was a cousin of my ancestor who was handed Northampton, or rather, a large chunk of it, as a reward for his service to William, but the reality Bernard uncovered while researching for his fictional histories remains the truth, uncomfortable or not. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 5, 2023 11:29:23 GMT
The ones with the money in the bank might be lucky. Are you suggesting taking land back by force? A return to strip farming? I would hope we could do better than returning to those old times. How would these strip farmers pay for health care, Education, Travel Etc. Without these their future looks quite bleak. You are missing my point. There is a reason why we have the concept 'unemployed'. If we go back into our hunter gatherer past, it would be hard to imagine someone becoming 'unemployed' because their 'employment' stretches around them for thousands of miles in all directions Yes. ^^^ THIS |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2023 14:28:11 GMT
Terrible I know. I mean moving to automated machine production to vastly increase the standards of living was clearly the work of the devil. Much better to live like an aristocrat in pre-industrial idyllic times like Willian Morris and John Ruskin. You evade my point The 5% of the population that controlled the country chose to drive the other 95% out of their subsistence existence into abject poverty and starvation so they could be exploited by the industrial overlords. You could of course argue the aristocracy and feudal lords did that anyway but in Exeter for example, the lord of the manor merely offered the locals a choice between living in and around his castle and environs for a fee that went to feed clothe and train his army trained to fight and possibly die protecting you from the pirate raiders, OR you were perfectly free to live nearer the river, free of that tax, and when the raiders came you MIGHT fight them off, but if not, the screams of your women as you were slaughtered, and the smoke rising from your burning home, served to alert the castle that it was time to ride out and fight. Now it is true my view is a little biased, for in truth Bernard Knight researched the history of that area and found its Norman warlord was a cousin of my ancestor who was handed Northampton, or rather, a large chunk of it, as a reward for his service to William, but the reality Bernard uncovered while researching for his fictional histories remains the truth, uncomfortable or not. So his commercial work is all lies (fiction) and his unpaid work is true. This is progress right?! |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Mar 5, 2023 14:32:42 GMT
It's thinking with your heart and not your head. Besides the Luddite argument that machines would replace your jobs was utterly bogus. It's the thinking of simpletons. We have many of them. Indeed I would say the biggest problem we have right now is exactly this. UK factories have workers, Chinese ones have machines. Our factories are going bust, so kiss goodbye anyway. I tell you, these morons will only be good for pouring the wine to rich foreigners who would think nothing of paying £500 for a bottle. (Remember tractors and their 40x productivity. That's mega ££££. ) What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? Yep. |
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Post by bancroft on Mar 5, 2023 15:28:09 GMT
My uncle & aunt bought a farm in 1960, their first tractor was a Little Grey Fergie and it was working all the time. It was the first motor vehicle I ever drove aged, nine or ten probably. They had other bigger tractors over the years but they kept that Little Grey Fergie until they retired. Aunty absolutely loved it. I watched a few of those programs where people do shed finds and restore or up-cycle things. Those Fergies still go for a couple of thousand or more, |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:51:00 GMT
The ones with the money in the bank might be lucky. Are you suggesting taking land back by force? A return to strip farming? I would hope we could do better than returning to those old times. How would these strip farmers pay for health care, Education, Travel Etc. Without these their future looks quite bleak. You are missing my point. There is a reason why we have the concept 'unemployed'. If we go back into our hunter gatherer past, it would be hard to imagine someone becoming 'unemployed' because their 'employment' stretches around them for thousands of miles in all directions It would be even harder to imagine 6Bn hunter gatherers. Still I expect if you achieved your Narnia then those numbers would quickly fall through war and starvation, so you might get there eventually. |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:52:23 GMT
You are missing my point. There is a reason why we have the concept 'unemployed'. If we go back into our hunter gatherer past, it would be hard to imagine someone becoming 'unemployed' because their 'employment' stretches around them for thousands of miles in all directions Yes. ^^^ THIS Really John? I mean seriously 6Bn hunter gatherers? How long would the wild life last? |
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Post by zanygame on Mar 5, 2023 16:54:49 GMT
What happens when all the jobs are done by machines? And all the moneygoes to those who own them? Yep. Yep is not an answer Baron, can I assume you don't have one? |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 17:39:02 GMT
You are missing my point. There is a reason why we have the concept 'unemployed'. If we go back into our hunter gatherer past, it would be hard to imagine someone becoming 'unemployed' because their 'employment' stretches around them for thousands of miles in all directions It would be even harder to imagine 6Bn hunter gatherers. Still I expect if you achieved your Narnia then those numbers would quickly fall through war and starvation, so you might get there eventually. I wasn't advocating hunter gatherer lifestyles. I was making a point about the true cause and effect |
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