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Post by Einhorn on Feb 26, 2023 21:49:35 GMT
I think the question is a bit broader than wether the public could / will do something about this particular case Why has the public at large obtained an apparent new responsibility / duty to fend off assaults on established literature by people with severe psychiatric disorders? It seems to be the core coordinator of the phenomena must be some aspect of the public sector. The thing to do is find exactly where this nonsense is originating from, if necessary, close down the entire department and empty the embryo vats Are we still talking about changing a few words in a children's book? Disney 'sanitised' every Brothers Grimm tale the company ever reproduced. It's been happening forever. Calm down!
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Post by Orac on Feb 26, 2023 22:12:33 GMT
That's creating a derivative work, indicating it as such and putting your name on it.
As to it happening before, I feel sure it has -
For instance, I'd be very surprised if the 'great leap forward' didn't involve at least some rewriting of popular literature
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 26, 2023 22:16:45 GMT
That's creating a derivative work, indicating it as such and putting your name on it. As to it happening before, I feel sure it has - For instance, I'd be very surprised if the 'great leap forward' didn't involve at least some rewriting of popular literatureIs this a derivative work? That's the question at the forefront of every 6-year-old's mind, isn't it?
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 26, 2023 22:41:08 GMT
Its not just Dahl
Fleming’s Bond books are now being rewritten.
Only minor edits but the rot is setting in.
To be fair Moore’s Moonraker was NOTHING like the book i bought as a kid of about 14.
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Post by Orac on Feb 26, 2023 23:01:33 GMT
That's creating a derivative work, indicating it as such and putting your name on it. As to it happening before, I feel sure it has - For instance, I'd be very surprised if the 'great leap forward' didn't involve at least some rewriting of popular literatureIs this a derivative work? That's the question at the forefront of every 6-year-old's mind, isn't it? Perhaps - if you use the most charitable sense of word 'work' possible. If I were to take the text of Das Kapital and replace Marx's descriptions of the alienation of labour with passages from my internet posts praising Donald Trump and Anne Widdicombe, that would also be strictly a 'derivative work'. However, I think most people would quite rightly raise an eyebrow if i attempted to sell, or distribute, my edited works as "Das Kapital by Karl Marx". I guess actually editing and reissuing literature itself, outside the context of (broadly) translation, isn't very common when things are normal. Certainly wearing a well known author's name as a skin suit and attempting to pretend he wrote your words isn't something a normal person with normal motives would want to do.
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 26, 2023 23:50:53 GMT
Its not just Dahl Fleming’s Bond books are now being rewritten. Only minor edits but the rot is setting in. To be fair Moore’s Moonraker was NOTHING like the book i bought as a kid of about 14. This has been happening forever. Large chunks of German folklore were rewritten by Disney and others, all for the 'ominous' and 'Orwellian' purpose of making them consistent with contemporary mores.
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 26, 2023 23:55:02 GMT
Is this a derivative work? That's the question at the forefront of every 6-year-old's mind, isn't it? Perhaps - if you use the most charitable sense of word 'work' possible. If I were to take the text of Das Kapital and replace Marx's descriptions of the alienation of labour with passages from my internet posts praising Donald Trump and Anne Widdicombe, that would also be strictly a 'derivative work'. However, I think most people would quite rightly raise an eyebrow if i attempted to sell, or distribute, my edited works as "Das Kapital by Karl Marx". I guess actually editing and reissuing literature itself, outside the context of (broadly) translation, isn't very common when things are normal. Certainly wearing a well known author's name as a skin suit and attempting to pretend he wrote your words isn't something a normal person with normal motives would want to do. If the message of Das Kapital was changed, it would be reasonable to say that something Orwellian was going on. But how has the message in Dahl's book been changed? It hasn't. There's probably a moral to the story, but that moral remains exactly what it has always been. The proposed changes were entirely superficial and of zero importance to the story's theme.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 26, 2023 23:57:46 GMT
Its not just Dahl Fleming’s Bond books are now being rewritten. Only minor edits but the rot is setting in. To be fair Moore’s Moonraker was NOTHING like the book i bought as a kid of about 14. The film "The Spy Who Loved Me" only has the title in common with the book.
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Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2023 0:23:10 GMT
If the message of Das Kapital was changed, it would be reasonable to say that something Orwellian was going on. But how has the message in Dahl's book been changed? It hasn't. There's probably a moral to the story, but that moral remains exactly what it has always been. The proposed changes were entirely superficial and of zero importance to the story's theme. This is nonsense. If you are not changing what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, why are you changing it? . Your motive is clearly to change what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, or you have no motive. What you really mean is this - "Nothing I feel is valuable or worthy has been changed. I only changed the bits I don't like" Put your name on it.
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Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2023 0:27:25 GMT
Its not just Dahl Fleming’s Bond books are now being rewritten. Only minor edits but the rot is setting in. To be fair Moore’s Moonraker was NOTHING like the book i bought as a kid of about 14. basing a film (very) loosely on a written work is not the same thing as re-writing the work itself
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 27, 2023 0:30:17 GMT
If the message of Das Kapital was changed, it would be reasonable to say that something Orwellian was going on. But how has the message in Dahl's book been changed? It hasn't. There's probably a moral to the story, but that moral remains exactly what it has always been. The proposed changes were entirely superficial and of zero importance to the story's theme. This is nonsense. If you are not changing what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, why are you changing it? . Your motive is clearly to change what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, or you have no motive. What you really mean is this - "Nothing I feel is valuable or worthy has been changed. I only changed the bits I don't like" Put your name on it. What? The central message hasn't been changed. I'd be very interested to hear how you think the moral of the story has changed. If the moral hasn't changed, then what's all the fuss about? As I've already said, it's a storm in a teacup. We're talking about something that has happened again and again in the past without any noticeably adverse effects on society.
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Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2023 0:36:38 GMT
This is nonsense. If you are not changing what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, why are you changing it? . Your motive is clearly to change what you feel is communicated by Dahl's writing, or you have no motive. What you really mean is this - "Nothing I feel is valuable or worthy has been changed. I only changed the bits I don't like" Put your name on it. What? The central message hasn't been changed. I'd be very interested to hear how you think the moral of the story has changed. If the moral hasn't changed, then what's all the fuss about? As I've already said, it's a storm in a teacup. We're talking about something that has happened again and again in the past without any noticeably adverse effects on society. Like I said, you are being dishonest. The only realistic motive you could have for changing Dahl's writing is to change what you feels is communicated through his writing
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 27, 2023 0:41:29 GMT
What? The central message hasn't been changed. I'd be very interested to hear how you think the moral of the story has changed. If the moral hasn't changed, then what's all the fuss about? As I've already said, it's a storm in a teacup. We're talking about something that has happened again and again in the past without any noticeably adverse effects on society. Like I said, you are being dishonest. The only realistic motive you could have for changing Dahl's writing is to change what you feels is communicated through his writing Dishonest? Really? You are making a lot of fuss about nothing. This has been happening since before you were born. Stories have long been retold in a manner that is considered appropriate for the times. The original Little Red Riding Hood story was extremely gory. You've probably never heard the original. Nor have many modern German children. Do you think they have been denied their cultural heritage? In short, your response is way over the top.
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Post by Orac on Feb 27, 2023 1:00:30 GMT
Like I said, you are being dishonest. The only realistic motive you could have for changing Dahl's writing is to change what you feels is communicated through his writing Stories have long been retold in a manner that is considered appropriate for the times. The original Little Red Riding Hood story was extremely gory. You've probably never heard the original. Nor have many modern German children. Do you think they have been denied their cultural heritage? And again you are being dishonest - there is no original little red red riding hood beyond the first adaption (interpretation) from folklore.Popular literature /fiction has certainly been re-written before. However, outside the context of (broadly) translation, it is typically a symptom that some kind of goofy political cult is gaining too much control. Don't you feel a bit dirty having to do this creepy reach around thing to get people to read your material?
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 27, 2023 1:17:02 GMT
Stories have long been retold in a manner that is considered appropriate for the times. The original Little Red Riding Hood story was extremely gory. You've probably never heard the original. Nor have many modern German children. Do you think they have been denied their cultural heritage? And again you are being dishonest - there is no original little red red riding hood beyond the first adaption (interpretation) from folklore.Popular literature /fiction has certainly been re-written before. However, outside the context of (broadly) translation, it is typically a symptom that some kind of goofy political cult is gaining too much control. Don't you feel a bit dirty having to do this creepy reach around thing to get people to read your material? I'll never be clean again, Mags. But you've made a big deal about very little. Paranoia.
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