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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 17, 2023 17:44:18 GMT
I suspect that if Labour win the next GE Starmer will be dealt the same fate as Theresa May and Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. Starmer might lead them to victory only because he's the best of a worst bunch, then they will have a vote of no confidence and swiftly replace him with Rayner, so she can implement the real Labour agenda, we wont have a say in Rayner taking over just like we never with May, Johnson and Truss, and we'll be stuck with no brains running the country, and I cringe to think what world leaders will make of her when she opens that big gob of hers, and we can only hope it's only her gob she opens. No they will replace him with Corbyn.🤣 Wouldn't at all surprise me. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 17:54:17 GMT
I suspect that if Labour win the next GE Starmer will be dealt the same fate as Theresa May and Boris Johnson and Liz Truss. Starmer might lead them to victory only because he's the best of a worst bunch, then they will have a vote of no confidence and swiftly replace him with Rayner, so she can implement the real Labour agenda, we wont have a say in Rayner taking over just like we never with May, Johnson and Truss, and we'll be stuck with no brains running the country, and I cringe to think what world leaders will make of her when she opens that big gob of hers, and we can only hope it's only her gob she opens. No they will replace him with Corbyn.🤣 Anything to make you happy. |
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Post by sword on Feb 17, 2023 18:01:48 GMT
Corbyn far left? what was far left about about protecting the NHS bringing back the utilities into state control and not following America into war after war,if anything Corbyn was too soft,i would have sued the arse of all those bastards who called him anti semitic for libel,good job they were not dealing with Galloway he has previous for taking those bastards to the cleaners. Corbyn would have given Putin anything he wanted, he wanted to do away with nuclear weapons, rendering the UK a sitting duck, in favour of sitting down and having a cuppa with Putin, his Marxism was blatant, a great admirer of Marx and Engels, yes Corbyn was/is far-left, and Labour will lose the next GE if there is even a whisper of bringing him back in to the fold. Given Putin everything he wants,who told you that ?don't be silly,as for nuclear weapons there are many Countries in the World without them,and you still have not told me whats far left about Corbyn? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 17, 2023 18:11:17 GMT
Corbyn would have given Putin anything he wanted, he wanted to do away with nuclear weapons, rendering the UK a sitting duck, in favour of sitting down and having a cuppa with Putin, his Marxism was blatant, a great admirer of Marx and Engels, yes Corbyn was/is far-left, and Labour will lose the next GE if there is even a whisper of bringing him back in to the fold. Given Putin everything he wants,who told you that ?don't be silly,as for nuclear weapons there are many Countries in the World without them,and you still have not told me whats far left about Corbyn? Corbyn’s victory brought together a coalition of members working with a range of organisations. These ranged from the Stop the War Coalition (which Corbyn had chaired) and the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (which Tony Benn had chaired) to trade unions, including Unite (formerly the Transport and General Workers’ Union). The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition was chaired by Dave Nellist - the former Labour MP expelled for his membership of Militant. What was unique about Corbyn’s leadership of the party was that it took as an assumption that there were no enemies on the left. As a result, a number of far-left groups aligned themselves with the new leader. Trotskyist movements and Communist groupings worked together in ways that would have had been unthinkable just a few years earlier. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 17, 2023 18:13:40 GMT
While the Stalinists formed the praetorian guard round Corbyn, the Trotskyists were busy organising Momentum. At its height Momentum was a powerful organisation. It was entirely separate from the Labour Party, with a company Jon Lansman controlled privately owning the data of its members and supporters. It had its own staff and its own campaigns. Among these were the successful The World Transformed political festivals, held during Labour Party conferences. A number of media and social media houses backed Corbyn and Momentum. These included Skwawkbox, The Canary and Novara media. Together they were a powerful mobilising force, which perhaps saw their finest moment when thousands chanted Corbyn’s name at the 2017 Glastonbury festival.
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Post by sword on Feb 17, 2023 18:30:26 GMT
Given Putin everything he wants,who told you that ?don't be silly,as for nuclear weapons there are many Countries in the World without them,and you still have not told me whats far left about Corbyn? Corbyn’s victory brought together a coalition of members working with a range of organisations. These ranged from the Stop the War Coalition (which Corbyn had chaired) and the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (which Tony Benn had chaired) to trade unions, including Unite (formerly the Transport and General Workers’ Union). The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition was chaired by Dave Nellist - the former Labour MP expelled for his membership of Militant. What was unique about Corbyn’s leadership of the party was that it took as an assumption that there were no enemies on the left. As a result, a number of far-left groups aligned themselves with the new leader. Trotskyist movements and Communist groupings worked together in ways that would have had been unthinkable just a few years earlier. Nonsense,all those people you mention were Socialists,you just throw the usual stuff in about Trotskyists a nd communists,and you still have not told me what was extreme far left about Corbyn or the labour manifesto? stop the war coalition,well the wars did need stopping instead of this Country acting as a rabid war dog for America. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 17, 2023 18:45:45 GMT
Corbyn’s victory brought together a coalition of members working with a range of organisations. These ranged from the Stop the War Coalition (which Corbyn had chaired) and the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (which Tony Benn had chaired) to trade unions, including Unite (formerly the Transport and General Workers’ Union). The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition was chaired by Dave Nellist - the former Labour MP expelled for his membership of Militant. What was unique about Corbyn’s leadership of the party was that it took as an assumption that there were no enemies on the left. As a result, a number of far-left groups aligned themselves with the new leader. Trotskyist movements and Communist groupings worked together in ways that would have had been unthinkable just a few years earlier. Nonsense,all those people you mention were Socialists,you just throw the usual stuff in about Trotskyists a nd communists,and you still have not told me what was extreme far left about Corbyn or the labour manifesto? stop the war coalition,well the wars did need stopping instead of this Country acting as a rabid war dog for America. The trouble with Socialists is they tend to veer to authoritarianism as that is the bedrock of how to organise a socialist society. They all have different methods of achieving a Socialist Society and the Labour Socialists see that as through the ballot box but it is not clear if once inaugurated it will be easily undone through the ballot box as its aims are to devolve power to the workers and it is not clear if that power will be removed from parliament. |
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Post by vlk on Feb 17, 2023 19:12:33 GMT
It's quite surprising how bitter a pill it is to swallow for some people to acknowledge that Labour can win but they only can win if they are like Blair's Labour.
If they are like Corbyn's Labour they will never win. People would rather turn to the LibDems instead if the Tories absolutely must lose.
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 21:15:38 GMT
The Lefties didn't come out of the woodwork under new Labour, so your 'project fear' has little to go on. What are you going on about, new Labour was formed in 1996 under Blair, or is there a new new Labour?
since then we've had far-left Corbyn and most of his old cronies are still on the front benches.
stop wasting cyberspace.
The situation is that Starmer is moving the party into the areas that New Labour dominated, i.e. moderate open minded Labour. So the move is towards a New Labour position, hence my comment. So try thinking before wasting 'cyberspace'. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 21:18:59 GMT
A bit like the look at the Tory party for being against Muslims. "Thank him for what he's done". Especially for resigning  Starmer under Corbyn was doing his best to unseat the Tories. Now that Corbyn has gone and Starmer is the new leader, Starmer has the freedom to change the direction of the party. And he wants to lead a party that will allow him to do that. Lead it where? i told you he has thrown more jews out of the party than any other party,how is that for a touch of antisemitism,or doesn't that count? You should know by now that your outlandish misguided opinionated posts count for nothing. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 17, 2023 21:21:07 GMT
What are you going on about, new Labour was formed in 1996 under Blair, or is there a new new Labour?
since then we've had far-left Corbyn and most of his old cronies are still on the front benches.
stop wasting cyberspace.
The situation is that Starmer is moving the party into the areas that New Labour dominated, i.e. moderate open minded Labour. So the move is towards a New Labour position, hence my comment. So try thinking before wasting 'cyberspace'. LOL you mean saying and trying anything in hope it might get him a vote. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 17, 2023 21:25:48 GMT
Nonsense,all those people you mention were Socialists,you just throw the usual stuff in about Trotskyists a nd communists,and you still have not told me what was extreme far left about Corbyn or the labour manifesto? stop the war coalition,well the wars did need stopping instead of this Country acting as a rabid war dog for America. The trouble with Socialists is they tend to veer to authoritarianism as that is the bedrock of how to organise a socialist society. They all have different methods of achieving a Socialist Society and the Labour Socialists see that as through the ballot box but it is not clear if once inaugurated it will be easily undone through the ballot box as its aims are to devolve power to the workers and it is not clear if that power will be removed from parliament. Like most of the political followers of fashion, they repeat anything they are told even when it is pointed out as complete cobblers, they then move the goalposts. As though they are repeating some kind of rocket science. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 21:29:41 GMT
Corbyn’s victory brought together a coalition of members working with a range of organisations. These ranged from the Stop the War Coalition (which Corbyn had chaired) and the Campaign for Labour Party Democracy (which Tony Benn had chaired) to trade unions, including Unite (formerly the Transport and General Workers’ Union). The Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition was chaired by Dave Nellist - the former Labour MP expelled for his membership of Militant. What was unique about Corbyn’s leadership of the party was that it took as an assumption that there were no enemies on the left. As a result, a number of far-left groups aligned themselves with the new leader. Trotskyist movements and Communist groupings worked together in ways that would have had been unthinkable just a few years earlier. Nonsense,all those people you mention were Socialists,you just throw the usual stuff in about Trotskyists a nd communists,and you still have not told me what was extreme far left about Corbyn or the labour manifesto? stop the war coalition,well the wars did need stopping instead of this Country acting as a rabid war dog for America. They all wanted to impose a quiet revolution. Just a crowd of continuous losers. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 22:19:01 GMT
It's quite surprising how bitter a pill it is to swallow for some people to acknowledge that Labour can win but they only can win if they are like Blair's Labour. If they are like Corbyn's Labour they will never win. People would rather turn to the LibDems instead if the Tories absolutely must lose. Do we really need another party identical to the tories though? Changing the faces without changing the policies? - well blah..  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 22:25:42 GMT
It's quite surprising how bitter a pill it is to swallow for some people to acknowledge that Labour can win but they only can win if they are like Blair's Labour. If they are like Corbyn's Labour they will never win. People would rather turn to the LibDems instead if the Tories absolutely must lose. Do we really need another party identical to the tories though? Changing the faces without changing the policies? - well blah.. Certainly not. I literally have nothing to vote for. It's almost like the mainstream parties don't care because they know none of it matters when they're not really in opposition. It has become little more than entertainment, if not a total mockery of representative democracy. If another party tries to make a move it's slaughtered by the establishment media and crippled with political correctness and censorship. To be different is now a form of terrorism, which is how the country has now been rigged. |
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Starmer under Corbyn was doing his best to unseat the Tories. Now that Corbyn has gone and Starmer is the new leader, Starmer has the freedom to change the direction of the party. And he wants to lead a party that will allow him to do that.
